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Old August 3rd, 2007, 10:23 PM   #241
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This would be my suggestion;

[IMG]http://i14.************/4ulmc1y.png[/IMG]

this is not very far from the original plan and i think this could work out...
that wildlife should be preserved as much as it can... but lots of money are involved... i'm hoping for a happy end...
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 10:27 PM   #242
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It's only a few kilometers longer. Doesn't matter that much on the S8, which will be over 800km in length.
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Old August 4th, 2007, 01:07 AM   #243
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130 km/h In Poland there's max. speed limit of 130km/h on motorways and 110km/h on expressways.


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On A4 from Wroclaw up to Opole, I drove 210km/h
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Old August 4th, 2007, 01:32 AM   #244
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On A4 from Wroclaw up to Opole, I drove 210km/h
Nothing to be proud of mate It might cost you your life one day, consider it !!
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Old August 4th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #245
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more details about those two variants and generally(fotos,maps,films,documents) about Augustow bypass as well
(page in english)
http://www.siskom.waw.pl/siskom-dzialania-rospuda-e.htm
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Old August 5th, 2007, 01:24 AM   #246
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Optimal speed on motorway I think is about 120, 130 km/h. It's reasonable safe and economic speed.
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Old August 5th, 2007, 09:29 AM   #247
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Nothing to be proud of mate It might cost you your life one day, consider it !!
You can drive at the speed limit and still get killed.
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Old August 5th, 2007, 03:23 PM   #248
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Anyway, stick with the speed limit
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Old August 5th, 2007, 05:19 PM   #249
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I don't get it...Driving fast on an autobahn is tolerated but driving fast on a Polish motorway(that might be in a better condition) is not. The only difference is that in one place there is a speed limit and in the other there's no speed limit. Driving 200km/h shouldn't be tolerated anywhere else than on a race track, IMO.
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Old August 5th, 2007, 08:01 PM   #250
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You can drive at the speed limit and still get killed.
You don't have to drive at all to get killed.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 12:54 PM   #251
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I sincerely hope that they will not build over Rospuda Valley. The sooner Poland starts rerouting of the project, the better. In meantime people in Augustow could get some financial compensations for extra waiting time.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 08:58 PM   #252
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This is the most optimal route for Via Baltica proposed by Scott-Wilson Co. :

http://www.viabaltica.scottwilson.co...ki/Page985.htm



It's a wriant one of forty researched by Scott-Wilson Co. Ltd. :
http://www.viabaltica.scottwilson.co...ki/Page354.htm
but goverment refuses it as being "tendentious" . It seems, everything that differs from goverment's plan, is tendentious Scott-Wilson Co. Ltd. is highly respected firm, and such accusation is just ridiculous



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Polen war nicht immer da, bleibt aber schon für immer.

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Old August 6th, 2007, 09:38 PM   #253
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Then Białystok would be left out, it's the largest city in northeast Poland...
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Old August 7th, 2007, 12:19 AM   #254
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No, Bialystok would get connected with the system by separate expressway - S-8. It would suit Bialystok even better, because whole transit traffic connecting baltic states with W. Europe, would bypas that city.


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Schlesien wuchs hier immer in Macht und Kraft, mit dem ihm treuen Breslau.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 02:48 AM   #255
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No, Bialystok would get connected with the system by separate expressway - S-8. It would suit Bialystok even better, because whole transit traffic connecting baltic states with W. Europe, would bypas that city.
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How is bypassing transit helping a city ? Since the beginning of time towns were founded on trade routes precisely to benefit from them culturally and economically.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 06:46 AM   #256
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I don't really know what to think...First, the people of Augustow are getting invaded by heavy trucks, there are many accidents in the city, they cannot sleep well, their houses are getting more and more weak because of the vibrations, so the road needs to be built and quickly.Plus, the western-european countries had build all their road network a long time ago, when the program Natura 2000 wasn't existing,so in my opinion Poland should have the right to build that road. But then there is the beautifull valley, with many rare species, its quite challenging to decide! At the moment our environment is so disturbed that we should not get the things more bad...
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Old August 7th, 2007, 06:56 AM   #257
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How is it benefitial to have transit traffic in the city?
Most of the trucks traveling between W.E. and baltic states, passing through Bialystok, don't do any business there.


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Schlesien wuchs hier immer in Macht und Kraft, mit dem ihm treuen Breslau.
Polen war nicht immer da, bleibt aber schon für immer.

Silesia always grew in strength here with faithful to her Wroclaw. Poland not always was here, but will stay here forever.

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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:34 AM   #258
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I don't really know what to think...First, the people of Augustow are getting invaded by heavy trucks, there are many accidents in the city, they cannot sleep well, their houses are getting more and more weak because of the vibrations, so the road needs to be built and quickly.Plus, the western-european countries had build all their road network a long time ago, when the program Natura 2000 wasn't existing,so in my opinion Poland should have the right to build that road. But then there is the beautifull valley, with many rare species, its quite challenging to decide! At the moment our environment is so disturbed that we should not get the things more bad...
In my suggestion (see top of page), trucks would go around Augustów via Raczki. If the S8 is build there, you could prohibit transittruck traffic from the DK8, so that they are forced to take the S8.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 04:12 PM   #259
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First off, the "environmentalists should be shot (or hanged) and secondly the longer you talk about it the wider it should be because of increased traffic.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 12:34 AM   #260
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Some sights around Augustów.







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