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Old September 14th, 2009, 11:26 PM   #3341
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Many roads in Warszawa and Silesia-City are six lane roads that would've been classified as freeways in most other countries. Like Drogowa Trasa Średnicowa or Trasa Siekierkowska
They could be easily urban motorways like in Ruhr or something.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 07:05 PM   #3342
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Nice view S10 near Stargard Szczeciński:

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Old September 15th, 2009, 09:15 PM   #3343
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What are the current plans for the S8 around Augustów? I heard of various variants, including S8 to skip Białystok to run via Łomża, but also one that goes around the Rospuda area. Has a decision been made yet?

And also; are there still plans to construct S16?
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Old September 15th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #3344
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While I do think the Polish have a good signage when it comes to clutter, they should sign somewhat more here. This sign would be located just south of A4 near the city of Gliwice, but Gliwice isn't even on the signage! It's a city of 200,000 inhabitants and a clear focal point in the Silezia area, thus it should be signed. But it isn't...

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Old September 15th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #3345
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And there will be 2X3 anyway...misery
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Old September 15th, 2009, 10:59 PM   #3346
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Do they have signage standards for 3 lanes anyway? I can't remember seeing a single sign for more than 2 lanes.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #3347
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They don't. And it looks quite awkward. Newly designed system gives option for multi lane roads. Sad is just that, ordinary people had to come up with such idea rather than authorities itself first
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Old September 15th, 2009, 11:08 PM   #3348
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Nowadays Polish signage standards don't predict 3 or more lanes on one sign.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 11:14 PM   #3349
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What are the current plans for the S8 around Augustów? I heard of various variants, including S8 to skip Białystok to run via Łomża, but also one that goes around the Rospuda area. Has a decision been made yet?
Consider it as three seperate issues: Via Batlica (1) , S8 expressway (2) and bypass of Augustów (3).

Ad 1
It was announced, that new expressway (draft number S61) will be added to polish transportation plan. You can see it here: http://viabaltica.scottwilson.com.pl...&id=7&Itemid=2 It's the variant no. 42. Northern section of Ausustów bypass will be part of it.

Polish road network is determined by an executive order of our infrastructure minister. Draft of the order is currently consulted.

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We will continue to reconstruct the road Warszawa - Białystok to expressway (2x2+) standard. Future status (class, number of lanes) of the current road from Białystok to Augustów is undetermined.

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Maps and data (in Polish - sorry) are here: http://siskom.waw.pl/s8-obwodnica-Augustowa.htm This is the newest environmental analysis carried out solely for the bypass. Because of the "heat" in topic it is the best such analysis carried out in the history of polish transportation network.
For today, the most probable solution is WIIIA or WIII. The "A" stands for situation when Via Baltica goes through city of Łomża (see Ad1).

WIIIA means that southern 2/3 section will be S-class with 2+1 lanes and northern 1/3 will be S-class 2x2 lanes, as it will be part of the Via Baltica.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 11:25 PM   #3350
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Thanks for the answer, Jakub

Man, Siskom is great, we need something like that in the Netherlands!

Now browsing through the variants, lots of material there

Don't worry about the Polish, I can use Google Translate, and I do understand some Polish used on the PDF files.

I see another problem with routing the S8 further away from the current DK8 Augustów - Suwałki, the more traffic will remain on DK8 instead of S8.
An S61 expressway would probably be more attractive for traffic from the Baltics towards Warszawa. It saves about 25 - 30 kilometers compared to the S8 via Białystok.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 11:38 PM   #3351
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But it's good to see that they are willing to somehow expand the programme.

Also this design of motorway signs is quite old
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Old September 16th, 2009, 12:20 PM   #3352
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While I do think the Polish have a good signage when it comes to clutter, they should sign somewhat more here ...

[img]http://i30.************/25a6pw1.jpg[/img]
You are right Chris, in the Netherlands you would probably have 3 (on blue) plus 5 (on green) lines of text on these signs.
And what a good thing that would be.

Lack of Gliwice is disappointing especially when you consider that the Czechs signed Gliwice on their D1 just south of the border.



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Do they have signage standards for 3 lanes anyway? ...
The simple answer is no.

While the Law stipulates that each lane should be labelled with an appropriate direction, in practice there is no clear and explicit template in the code of practice for anything more than a 2-lane mway. Hence, we are left at the mercy of the sign designer who has no choice but to sign a 3-lane mway in the same way as a 2-lane mway, as in the picture above.

Yeah, I know this is nuts but that is how it is.
We are quietly working on changing all this, though it is like drawing blood out of a stone.


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Old September 16th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #3353
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not to mention that people don't know how to drive on 3 lane motorway, expressway. I've mentioned it widely in one of my previous posts!
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Old September 16th, 2009, 08:07 PM   #3354
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It is about time so that the Polish drivers adjust and use 3 lanes accordingly ... I observe a complete lack of skills driving on 3 lane motorway. Vehicles obstinately stick to the middle lane ...
Middle lane hogging is as common a disease as the common cold.
Find me a country where it does not happen and I'll give you keys to my car right now.

In some countries overhead variable-message signs even display warnings such as 'Do not block the middle lane' or equivalent.



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Old September 16th, 2009, 09:16 PM   #3355
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Not as bad as left lane hogging that is common in some countries.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #3356
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And also; are there still plans to construct S16?
Yes, at the moment there are works at the part Olsztyn - Biskupiec and Ilawa bypass.
Additionally there are plans to build bypasses of Olsztyn, Mragowo, Mikolajki and Elk in the near future.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 11:39 PM   #3357
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As DK16 atm I think, there will be a problem at some point because there are valuables big lakes etc.
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Old September 17th, 2009, 01:42 PM   #3358
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Skraj węzła Marywilska:


Przy peronach:



Widok na południe:


Kierunek Konotopa:



I kierunek Marki:


Dziękuję za uwagę.
So works start on upgrading DK8 in Northern Warsaw to expressway standard. As you the state of these obejcts is rather poor at the moment
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Old September 17th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #3359
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The first 'real' tunnel in Poland - S69:

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Old September 17th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #3360
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A4 Rzeszów-Korczowa

There are winners of A4 Rzeszów-Korczowa (PL/UA) "Design&Build" tender:


Jarosław "Węzeł Wierzbna" - Radymno - 25km

->> Budimex Dromex & Ferrioval

Radymno - Korczowa - 22km

->> J&P Avax

source:www.gddkia.gov.pl
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