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Old September 19th, 2009, 02:54 PM   #3381
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Will they also remove the border station so that there is just a straight 2×2 motorway running from Germany to Poland? They can rebuild it to make a service station out of it.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 03:18 PM   #3382
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Yes, they will - Apart from the PPP contract there is also another one for reconstruction to A standards of these 2 kms just at the border, so including the booths.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #3383
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WD 468 and beautiful new boards
It's one of many examples, where actual Polish signage system doesn't fulfill its role (this motorway will be 2x3)
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Old September 19th, 2009, 06:27 PM   #3384
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So how much of the A1 will be 2x3 then? All of Lodz to Katowice? Or only a few kilometres outside of Katowice? Or something else?
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Old September 19th, 2009, 06:36 PM   #3385
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Katowice on the signs is a bit misleading, since it runs via Gliwice, 30 kilometers to the west of Katowice.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 07:11 PM   #3386
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So how much of the A1 will be 2x3 then? All of Lodz to Katowice? Or only a few kilometres outside of Katowice? Or something else?
Now only 25 kms will be 2x3, but whole A1 has a reserve for the third lane.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 07:14 PM   #3387
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Now only 25 kms will be 2x3, but whole A1 has a reserve for the third lane.
Reserve meaning that it will be built when? And do all motorways (expressways?) have reserves for a third lane?

And where will those 25 km be?
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Old September 19th, 2009, 07:40 PM   #3388
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I also read GDDKiA "forgot" that the last 1.5 km near Swiecko also needed to be constructed between the existing A12 to Germany and the A2 U/C by the concessionaire. So, they rushed to construct that one too
Oh, oh, oh. Don't you ever belive what our press is writing about roads. This section isn't the part of the PPP one because at the time the contract was prepared only the state was allowed to build near the border.
This section, as you probably know, already exists, so it's not a problem at all.

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Reserve meaning that it will be built when?
When the traffic would be high enough.

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And do all motorways (expressways?) have reserves for a third lane?
All A class roads constructed after 2002 and some exressways do have it.

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And where will those 25 km be?
South of A4.

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Old September 19th, 2009, 07:49 PM   #3389
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South of A4.
A couple km north of A4 too, although I don't remember, where exactly the three-lane stretch will begin. For sure the whole stretch near Gliwice is to be 2x3.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #3390
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2x3 will end probably on the Wieszowa exit, driving northbound from Gliwice. 2x3 section will be about 40 km long: from km 502 to km 542 (north beginning/ending: http://siskom.waw.pl/autostrady/a1/a1_km499-506.jpg south beginning/ending: http://siskom.waw.pl/autostrady/a1/a1_km534-548.JPG)
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #3391
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Anymore motorways/expressways planned 2X3 in Poland ? 2+3+3+2 will in Poznań.
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Which road in Poznan will be 2+3+3+2? S5? S11? A2?
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Old September 20th, 2009, 04:23 PM   #3394
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I got the idea from maps that the A2/S5/S11 will all be multiplexed along the southern side of Poznan. De A2 is the primary east-west motorway, and the S5 will come from Bydgoszcz in the northeast and runs to Wroclaw in the south, while S11 comes from Bytom in the southeast and runs towards Kolobrzeg in the northwest, hence all these roads converge at the southern side of Poznan.

That said, are there plans for a northern ringroad of Poznan, so that a full beltway will be created (like the A1-A2-S8-S14 plans around Lodz).
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Anymore motorways/expressways planned 2X3 in Poland ? 2+3+3+2 will in Poznań.
What is meant by 2+3+3+2? Any pictures?
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Old September 20th, 2009, 04:47 PM   #3396
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What is meant by 2+3+3+2? Any pictures?
example in Italy
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Old September 20th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #3397
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And Poznan will have something like that?:O Seriously? Why? I mean, even the S8 will only be 2 lanes in each direction, and here they want to build something like that? It's awesome, but they should do it everywhere!
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Old September 20th, 2009, 04:55 PM   #3398
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A local/express setup allows for more exits in a shorter distance on the parallel roadway without disrupting through traffic with exiting and entering traffic every 800 m.

It could also be a way to avoid those silly "minimum distance between interchanges" laws... (Odstępy między węzłami)
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Old September 20th, 2009, 05:24 PM   #3399
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Old September 20th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #3400
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Not long until the completion of A1 Gliwice - Bełk and the interchange at Sosnica
October is the planned finish month isn't? It will be a step closer to the
Czech border (but still too far). The 921 exit should be signed
Ruda Śląska and Rybnik as those are the most important towns to which the road connects not Knurów and Gierałtowice
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