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Old September 22nd, 2009, 12:56 PM   #3421
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I was just thinking, are there plans for a branch off S7 towards the port of Gdansk? It would be better to have a direct access from the port to S7/A1 instead of using city streets.
Trasa Sucharskiego will be such a branch, it will connect southern Gdansk bypass with its port, there will be a car tunnel (900m) under Vistula as well

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Old September 22nd, 2009, 02:38 PM   #3422
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DK50 is an interesting road, it forms a U-route around Warszawa. It's 293 kilometers long.
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They should connect the north ends of it and make it into a ring road! Though it would be quite far away from the city centre, maybe a better idea would be to connect Lochow and Plonsk via Wyszkow.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 03:12 PM   #3423
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If I'm not wrong then Gdank will have a full ring
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 03:31 PM   #3424
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If I'm not wrong then Gdank will have a full ring
you are right, existing S6 -western bypass, plus S7 southern bypass, plus Trasa Sucharskiego, Trasa Zielona (eastern bypass) and Trasa Słowackiego.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 03:40 PM   #3425
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These "Trasa" roads, are mostly just like motorways, only somewhat more interchanges and sometimes the lack of a shoulder, right? That's why they don't get an A- or S-number.

Roads like Trasa Siekierkowska in Warszawa or Drogowa Trasa Srednicowa in Silesia would be classified as motorways or expressways in other countries.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 03:48 PM   #3426
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These "Trasa" roads, are mostly just like motorways, only somewhat more interchanges and sometimes the lack of a shoulder, right? That's why they don't get an A- or S-number.

Roads like Trasa Siekierkowska in Warszawa or Drogowa Trasa Srednicowa in Silesia would be classified as motorways or expressways in other countries.
"Trasa" is a word commonly used for inner city, usually non-collision roads, and those roads are like S roads, vide Trasa Zamkowa in Szczecin, Trasa Kwiatkowskiego in Gdynia, Trasa Siekierkowska in Warsaw or Drogowa Trasa Średnicowa in Upper Silesian aglomeration.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 05:39 PM   #3427
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"Trasa" is a word commonly used for inner city, usually non-collision roads, and those roads are like S roads, vide Trasa Zamkowa in Szczecin, Trasa Kwiatkowskiego in Gdynia, Trasa Siekierkowska in Warsaw or Drogowa Trasa Średnicowa in Upper Silesian aglomeration.
Yeah, those 'trasas' are typical for big Polish cities and are commonly known. None of the Varsovians uses the Avenue of the United States (which is the official name of the 'Trasa Łazienkowska' on the eastern bank of Warsaw). Everyone drives along 'Trasa Łazienkowska' . Another examples may be Trasa W-Z (east - west) whose proper name's Solidarity Avenue. What's more, in Warsaw there are also 'Stradas' like Wisłostrada which stands for 'Vistula Motorway'.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 06:06 PM   #3428
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Trasa NS, does that mean north-south instead of polnoc-poludnia?
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 06:11 PM   #3429
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Yes.

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Co raz bliżej




Tuż przed samym wiaduktem, dalej widoczny WA-6.
Jak widać są tutaj oraz pod pozostałymi dwoma żółte linie, które spychają ruch lekko na lewo, ponieważ przy starym układzie jezdni nawet osobówki by się nie mieściły i o wypadki byłoby bardzo łatwo. Dla uspokojenia co niektórych, z tego co zauważyłem to są one klejone. Ktoś jednak myśli u wykonawcy.


Północna strona WA-6.


Południowa strona WA-6.


Tradycyjnie za WA-6 stoi wiadukt do rozebrania oraz dalej WŁ-6.2


Rusztowania pod WŁ-6.2 po stronie północnej.


P.S. Zdjęć mało ze względu na prędkość przejazdową, jutro może uda mi się zrobić kilka fotek w drugim kierunku.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 06:36 PM   #3430
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These "Trasa" roads, are mostly just like motorways, only somewhat more interchanges and sometimes the lack of a shoulder, right? That's why they don't get an A- or S-number.

Roads like Trasa Siekierkowska in Warszawa or Drogowa Trasa Srednicowa in Silesia would be classified as motorways or expressways in other countries.
So why aren't they in Poland?
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 06:40 PM   #3431
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They are "Class GP" roads. S-roads and A-roads have stricter standards about the number of interchanges and the distance between them. Some Class GP roads are as good as motorways (like the ones I mentioned before).
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 06:44 PM   #3432
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 06:52 PM   #3433
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OK, but can you imagine that some parts of Kraków ringroad has A standard and is marked as S only because it's part of DK7 (which was said to be S7 at the whole length), and some parts are S standards marked as A road only because of being a part of DK4(which was said to be A4 at the whole length) ? AADT, accidents don't matter.

@ Tornadoli

1. Not all them are national roads. Only the can be A or S.
2. Only some road numbers are planned to be A or S. No matter what happens, this can't be changed.
3. We have the same requirements for existing and new A and S roads - some older routes don't meet them, and can't be A or S even with additional speed limit.

Why? Just don't ask.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 06:59 PM   #3434
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Back in the late 90's, I've read many S-roads were initially planned as 1x2 roads (like S3), but I believe they're now building nearly all S-roads into 2x2 from the beginning.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 07:23 PM   #3435
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Yeas they are, but as for S3, it was initially planned as A3, with some of it's parts build in half-profile in the 80's.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 07:57 PM   #3436
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Kielce North Interchange S-7:









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Old September 22nd, 2009, 08:29 PM   #3437
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OK, but can you imagine that some parts of Kraków ringroad has A standard and is marked as S
As far as I know western part of Kraków ring (Balice - Opatkowice) has S standards and is marked A though (I mean narrow lanes - 3,5 + 3,5 + 2,75 emergency lane).
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 08:32 PM   #3438
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Yeas, but northern one is the other way round - could be A(and was till last year), is S.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 08:41 PM   #3439
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Yes but are we really gonna regret this 3000 meters long section?
I just hope that its continuation will also be signed as S-road despite it's being officially built as GP-road.


And Chris just to be clear: GP-road aren't some kind of special roads in general. Some of them are just like S/A-road (likę DTŚ) but this:

is also GP-road. Actually All national roads (DKxx) and even some province roads (DW-xxx) are GP
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is also GP-road. Actually All national roads (DKxx) and even some province roads (DW-xxx) are GP
No, not all national roads have GP standards.

Here you have about them (you can improve you Polish )
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droga_klasy_GP
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