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Old September 28th, 2009, 12:01 AM   #3521
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The southern bypass of Poznan will be toll free as S5 and S11 will be routed across it.
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Old September 28th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #3522
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So its unlikely the A4 from Wieliczka to Szarów will be open and ready for use by the end of this year?
It's about to be opened by the end of October as far as I know.
Bunch of pictures from A4 Polish forum(same shown above):
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...26655&page=161

But maybe it's kind of gossip

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Old September 28th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #3523
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So yes today 3 contrats were signed for A2 Łódź-Warszawa, 2 more to go
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Old September 28th, 2009, 09:41 PM   #3524
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So yes today 3 contrats were signed for A2 Łódź-Warszawa, 2 more to go
Why 3? No, all 5 contracts for A2 has been signed today! The is one contestation for A section from Hermann Kirchner (ahh those Germans!!) - all other sections from B to E are already safe!
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Old September 28th, 2009, 09:54 PM   #3525
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Huh, ok

So section A still can be under protest from contractors or something ?
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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #3526
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Huh, ok

So section A still can be under protest from contractors or something ?
Yes, exactly, protest from Germans (Hermann Kirchner), but GDDKIA had an agreement to sign the contract before this issue will be solved. That's why contracts for all 5 sections has been signed! Really a historical day for polish motorways!
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Old September 29th, 2009, 12:38 AM   #3527
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It's about to be opened by the end of October as far as I know.
Bunch of pictures from A4 Polish forum(same shown above):
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...26655&page=161

But maybe it's kind of gossip
Well I hope that the gossip is right and that the A4 between
Wieliczka and Szarów will be opened for use at the end of October
as it will rescue Wieliczka and the villages on the E40 between
Wieliczka and the junction with nr 75 will no longer suffer from
heavy traffic. The motorway looks more or less complete with only a few parts left to surface and lines painting as all of the viaducts look to be finished
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Old September 29th, 2009, 01:56 PM   #3528
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Well I hope that the gossip is right and that the A4 between
Wieliczka and Szarów will be opened for use at the end of October
as it will rescue Wieliczka and the villages on the E40 between
Wieliczka and the junction with nr 75 will no longer suffer from
heavy traffic. The motorway looks more or less complete with only a few parts left to surface and lines painting as all of the viaducts look to be finished
Indeed. But it depends on the quality of works that Dragados performed. If the quality is poor that fixes may be needed. Anyway we have to wait and hopefully see A4 ready by the end of October.
Keep the fingers crossed
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Old September 29th, 2009, 02:36 PM   #3529
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You are more advanced in this sector of building motorways.
I am verry disapointed about motorways building here in Romania.Perhaps I will be a disfunctional driver( and at the age of 100years) when in Romania will be 2000km of motorways in good conditions.
The photo looks nice.
What is number of finished kms motorways in Poland at the end of 2009?
Your country is a bit larger than Romania so, for a good speed of travel is sufficient arround 2000km or 3000km?
How many motorways are free of tax(without pay), and how many are with tax(neccesary to pay for travel)?
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Old September 29th, 2009, 03:30 PM   #3530
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You are more advanced in this sector of building motorways.
I am verry disapointed about motorways building here in Romania.Perhaps I will be a disfunctional driver( and at the age of 100years) when in Romania will be 2000km of motorways in good conditions.
The photo looks nice.
What is number of finished kms motorways in Poland at the end of 2009?
Your country is a bit larger than Romania so, for a good speed of travel is sufficient arround 2000km or 3000km?
How many motorways are free of tax(without pay), and how many are with tax(neccesary to pay for travel)?
Actually we have 812 km of A class (motorways), 306 km S class 2x2 profile(expressways), 181km S class 1x2 profile (expressways half profile). This year ca 100km more will be finished. Real change will be around end of 2011 and 2012 when roads for which contracts have be signed this year will be ready.

And definitelly we need more roads.

In principle you have to pay for all A class roads, depends on distance you travel, but as not all of the sections have proper infrastructure yet, around 2/3 of 812km all toll free at the mopment.

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Old September 29th, 2009, 04:48 PM   #3531
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Don't mix terminology Highways are just main roads. In Poland's case motorways are A class roads and S class roads should be called expressways, not motorways, as you wrote
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Old September 29th, 2009, 05:29 PM   #3532
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Highways = any public road (A, S, DK, DW etc)
motorway = A road + 2x2 modern S road
expressway = substandard 2x2 and 1x2 S roads.

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Old September 29th, 2009, 05:45 PM   #3533
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This numbers seem to be high

This shows how big are our needs in terms of road building
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Old September 29th, 2009, 07:22 PM   #3534
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This numbers seem to be high

This shows how big are our needs in terms of road building
I took if from statistics Thread of FPW:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=345003

Indeed - we need more roads in PL
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Old September 30th, 2009, 12:07 AM   #3535
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How about this list:

list by:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...391696&page=14



I. Existed dual carriageway roads in Poland:


Month ............ A 2x2 ....... S 2x2 ....... GP 2x2* ... DK/DW 2x2** ................ Together



01-2006 .......... 570 .......... 180 .......... 113 .......... 1019 ............................ 1882

05-2006 .......... 570 .......... 180 .......... 113 .......... 1019 ............................ 1882
09-2006 .......... 674 .......... 183 .......... 113 .......... 1010 ............................ 1980

01-2007 .......... 741 .......... 208 .......... 117 .......... 1011 ............................ 2067

05-2007 .......... 741 .......... 208 .......... 119 .......... 1011 ............................ 2069
09-2007 .......... 741 .......... 208 .......... 121 .......... 1021 ............................ 2091

01-2008 .......... 765 .......... 238 .......... 122 .......... 1025 ............................ 2150

05-2008 .......... 765 .......... 250 .......... 122 .......... 1023 ............................ 2160
09-2008 .......... 765 .......... 270 .......... 131 .......... 1027 ............................ 2193

01-2009 .......... 831 .......... 293 .......... 136 .......... 1034 ............................ 2294

05-2009 .......... 831 .......... 293 .......... 136 .......... 1034 ............................ 2294
09-2009 .......... 881 .......... 329 .......... 129 .......... 1034 ............................ 2373


Together grade-separated dual carriageway roads: 1339 km
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* - dual carriageway GP-class roads with grade-separated junctions
** - dual carriageway roads with at-grade junctions
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Old September 30th, 2009, 01:54 PM   #3536
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We need well over 10k tbh. Somewhen in the middle of XXI century we will reach it
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Old September 30th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #3537
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When will you reach the 1000 km A-roads? That can't be too long.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #3538
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Old September 30th, 2009, 06:29 PM   #3539
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07.2012 with 1011,3 km
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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:17 PM   #3540
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Imo, due to the lack of difference between A and S-roads (not only in Poland), the main focus on A-roads is not justified anymore. 2x2 S-roads are as good as A-roads, most people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference, only pro's and road enthusiasts.
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