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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #3541
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Old September 30th, 2009, 08:06 PM   #3542
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Imo, due to the lack of difference between A and S-roads (not only in Poland), the main focus on A-roads is not justified anymore. 2x2 S-roads are as good as A-roads, most people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference, only pro's and road enthusiasts.

I would say there is fundamental difference, at least in Poland almost all A-roads will be toll roads, while S not. So - I fully support idea of building more S roads.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 10:39 PM   #3543
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This is not technical difference and this may change in future though (I'm talking about toll s-roads).
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Old October 1st, 2009, 10:23 AM   #3544
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This is not technical difference and this may change in future though (I'm talking about toll s-roads).
That is true, although at the moment there is no proper infrastructure planned to collect money (like for new A class roads) and there are no alternative paralell toll-free roads existing/planned as they are for tolled A class roads. I hope it will stay like that for longer time
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Old October 1st, 2009, 02:36 PM   #3545
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Hopefully but maintaining such network in good state will be difficult without tolls, even German which is much more wealthier have problems with keeping autobahns and also their federal roads in fairly good shape
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Old October 1st, 2009, 04:11 PM   #3546
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I wonder how many Euros on average Germany (or any other country) spends for maintenance of 1 km. of road. Any idea?

I would think that once the road network in Poland is built, Poland will be spending significantly less money to maintain those roads than what it currently spends now on building them.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:24 PM   #3547
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The average cost of maintenance and building new roads are 1 % of the GDP.
For Germany is 25-30 bn euros.
Netherlands 7 bn euros and so on.

So you should not build "to much" roads because of the cost for the maintenance in the future.

Good proportion in Europe is 1500 km of motorway for 10 millions inhabitants.
( - but the population density is also important - )

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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:40 PM   #3548
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That's the problem in the USA. They built their Interstate system very quickly and therefore the new roads had to be cheap. They underestimated the cost of maintaining these cheap roads and now there are many motorways with a bad road surface.
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Nah, design standards were different back then, and trucks weren't allowed so much weight as they do now

By the way: Netherlands 2.8 billion
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You mean 2.8 billion for maintenance? That's like building ~150 km. of roads. Its not too bad.
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I would say there is fundamental difference, at least in Poland almost all A-roads will be toll roads, while S not. So - I fully support idea of building more S roads.
Yes, like in Spain. I prefer using spanish S-roads because are for free
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A 2x2 ....... S 2x2 ....... GP 2x2* ... DK/DW.

What are S, GP, DK/DW ?
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S = Droga Ekspresowa, expressway officially, would've been classified as motorway in most other countries

GP = droga główna ruchu przyspieszonego, main road with accelerated features, usually some expressway, could also be considered motorways in some cases. GP is a design standard, and not a designation like A, S, DK and DW.

DK = Droga Krajowa, national road. A and S roads are also Drogi krajowe. Basically the nationwide numbering system with one and two digit roads.

DW = Droga Wojewódzka, voievodship (province) roads. 3-digit roads, can be simple one lane highways to 2x3 GP-design standard roads.
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Almost good

DK stands for all national roads, so all A, S, GP and G roads, which are all design standards presented in descending order.
One might get confused, as when taling of a DK road, we usually a regular national road, not a motorway or expressway.

DW is indeed province road, which can have a class of G and Z, also in descending order.

To sum up, there are two calssifications:

1. Due to road importance: DK and DW
2. Due to road strandard: A, S, GP, G and Z

There are of course more of them, but these are the most impotrant.
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Categories DK, DW, DP, DG defines function of the public road in Polish roads network. Defines also manager of particular road:

DK - Droga Krajowa (National Road) is managed by GDDKiA (General Directorate for National Roads and Motorways)

DW - Droga Wojewódzka (Provincial Road) is managed by Provincial Administration

DP - Droga Powiatowa (County Road) is managed by County Administration

DG - Droga Gminna (Commune Road) is managed by Commune

Roads which do not belong to one of above categories are not public.


Then - depends on technical spec, public road complies to one of following classes:

A - autostrady (motorways),
S - drogi ekspresowe (expressways),
GP - drogi główne ruchu przyspieszonego (main roads of accelerated traffic),
G - drogi główne (main roads),
Z - drogi zbiorcze (aggregating roads),
L - drogi lokalne (local roads),
D - drogi dojazdowe (access roads).


At the end road of particular category should comply to suitable class:

DK - can be of class A, S, GP, exceptionally G
DW – can be of class G, Z, exceptionally GP
DP – can be of class G, Z, exceptionally L
DG – can be of class L, D, exceptionally Z

I hope it clarifies overall classification of public roads in Poland
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