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Old December 27th, 2007, 12:27 AM   #341
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It'll be 2000 kilometers of motorways and 5200 km of expressways.

This is expressway*:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...024px-S1_1.JPG

And this is motorway:
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* But we've got 2 versions of expressways: 2 lanes and 1 lane
these photos aren't too representative because not all the motorways will be 3+3, and here are not visible expressways' shoulders, which are more narrow than motorways'
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Old December 27th, 2007, 03:22 AM   #342
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I think that as the differences between 2x2 expressway and 2x2 motorway are so small they should just make 1 category.
Dividing it in motorways and expressways is just confusing to people I think. The quallity is almost the same I think. There can be expressways that are better than motorways I guess. Unless the geometrica carachteristics of expressways are significantly inferior.
Because the diference in width of lanes not something relevant. 3.5m to 3.75m?! Who even noticies that?
And if they want 3.75m, than make the expressways also with 3.75m... it's not like that's going to make a significant diference in costs.
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Old December 27th, 2007, 12:18 PM   #343
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well, it depends. some countries have expressways with quite wide shoulders (although more narrow than motorways) - Poland, Czech. Rep., Austria (actually, austrian are often the same as motorways, e.g. S1, S6), but some don't have shoulders at all (Slovenia, Croatia, Italy) and there is difference more obvious
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Old December 27th, 2007, 01:24 PM   #344
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People tend to accept expressways more than motorways. If a project can be speeded up that way several years, i think they should build the expressway, and maybe upgrade afterwards.

Sometimes procedures and objection from people to motorways can be many years long, they are talking about 40 years about the construction of some (short) motorways in the Netherlands.

Especially when countries need to speed up their development, they can't wait for all motorway-procedures, so they might construct an expressway.
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Old December 27th, 2007, 01:48 PM   #345
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Especially when countries need to speed up their development, they can't wait for all motorway-procedures, so they might construct an expressway.
but i'm not sure that there is some large difference between time needed to build motorway or equivalent expressway (at the same place). today's expressqays are on high levels, too. they have all what motorways have, except SOS lanes, and perhaps curves could be with smaller radius, but those things don't affect to lenght of building time significant
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Old December 27th, 2007, 02:26 PM   #346
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for people the biggest difference is that the all motorways in poland will be a toll routes and the expressway are going to be free routes, and that's the reason why most of the new routes should be called an expressway
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Old December 27th, 2007, 04:30 PM   #347
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for people the biggest difference is that the all motorways in poland will be a toll routes and the expressway are going to be free routes, and that's the reason why most of the new routes should be called an expressway
And isn't the whole administration process shorter when a corridor is considered as expressway instead of motorway ? Expressway construction can also be extremely slower than motorways, since it's not financed by private companies but by the state (except for roads build with a Public-Private-Partnership). I know that in France expressways (voies express) are being constructed at a very slow pace due to the lack funding, while concessed motorways (autoroutes concédées) are build very quickly, once all studies are validated... Isn't the same thing going to happen in Poland ?
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And isn't the whole administration process shorter when a corridor is considered as expressway instead of motorway ? Expressway construction can also be extremely slower than motorways, since it's not financed by private companies but by the state (except for roads build with a Public-Private-Partnership). I know that in France expressways (voies express) are being constructed at a very slow pace due to the lack funding, while concessed motorways (autoroutes concédées) are build very quickly, once all studies are validated... Isn't the same thing going to happen in Poland ?
yeah the construction of expressways is very slow now in poland because all the founds and administration is focused on those 3 motorways that we're building currently, with the public-private partnership in poland are some problems, the private investors demand sometimes too much money from the government and that's why there were so much issues with route A2 to the german border, also quality of some motorways in p-p partnership is very poor, i think after we will construct our motorways the pace of expressways constructing will be much faster, i'm not afraid about the money, i hope that eu founds will be involved
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Old December 27th, 2007, 06:23 PM   #349
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But we don't know yet ! It's possible that the expressways will be also toll in future... BTW This motorway, shown on picture, has parameters of expressway and is signed as motorway Weird , but there is no very big difference.
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But we don't know yet ! It's possible that the expressways will be also toll in future
but only dual carriageway ??
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I think there will be no single carriageway as expressway in future, the will be upgraded. I think you can find it out in our polish sub forum
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I think you can find it out in our polish sub forum
Tak, but Polish is not an international language
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Old December 27th, 2007, 09:11 PM   #353
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Some motorways, expressways and other main roads from Upper Silesia:





















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Old December 27th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #354
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Yes, those are very nice pics, but to be frank, they are showed tens of times
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Old December 27th, 2007, 09:58 PM   #355
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OK ! Now different



This picture shows new part of Northern Bypass in my hometown Jelenia Góra It was finished around 1999. It normal dual carriageway. It's on National Road DK3/E65
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How long is Polish Motorway and Expressway network (nowadays)?
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Old December 28th, 2007, 02:35 PM   #357
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1003 kilometres
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Old December 28th, 2007, 02:45 PM   #358
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^exactly? So I guess we can expect huge expansion in next few years cause four times smaller Czech Rep has longer network currently (1009 km)
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True, we will have a huge expansion. In next year will be finished about 262 kilometres of motorways and expressways. I will try to find in polish sub forum a list of what of what construction will be started in 2008
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oh you've got quite nice bypass in jelenia gora, in opole our ringroad is only single carriageway with crapy pavement...
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