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Old November 2nd, 2009, 10:44 PM   #3721
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CZ/SK/PL trip including a few border crossings and D3/S69

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 10:58 PM   #3722
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Nice pics

Are S69 and D3 supposed to be a 2+1 road in the future too? I would've expected a motorway there, as it's the shortest connection between Silesia City and Wien/Bratislava/Budapest and southeastern Europe.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 12:29 AM   #3723
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Nice pics

Are S69 and D3 supposed to be a 2+1 road in the future too? I would've expected a motorway there, as it's the shortest connection between Silesia City and Wien/Bratislava/Budapest and southeastern Europe.
I think majority of traffic between Katowice and Žilina uses E75: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...4,2.469177&z=9

This will change when Slovaks and Poles manage to built proper connection D3-S69 (present one looks pretty bad). But, 2x1 would be enough there, traffic volumes at cross-border sections aren't big enough for 2x2. Both D3 and S69 will have also 2x2 sections, but further from the border. In case of D3 only last ~15 km before the border will be 2x1
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 12:43 AM   #3724
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Are S69 and D3 supposed to be a 2+1 road in the future too? I would've expected a motorway there
Generally 1+1 with extensions to 2+1 on uphills. Motorway is not necessary there due to low traffic volume. Both sides are building current road with a reserve for second carriageway so in the future it could be real motorway (SK) and 2x2 expressway (PL).
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 10:34 PM   #3725
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The first concrete for A2 Świecko - Nowy Tomyśl!???

After what? 4, 5, 6 month?
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 10:43 PM   #3726
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I think this is a preparatory layer of concrete. It doesn't seem like the final layer yet, but it's fast, yes. But remember the sand bed has been in place for years, and the trees have been cut years ago. That speeds up the progress significantly. Also, this area is sparsely populated with not a lot of roads, so they don't need to change the underground infrastructure a lot, nor build a lot of overpasses.

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Old November 3rd, 2009, 11:01 PM   #3727
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This is only the first layer - the so called thin concrete.

Chris is right - sections near Nowy Tomyśl (eastern end of the section) are all woods and maybe one rural road for 15 kms.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 01:38 AM   #3728
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There will also be a "test" section where they will pour concrete and test its properties etc.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 01:39 PM   #3729
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Great, I love the progress, Poland the bigghest construction site of Europe !
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Old November 4th, 2009, 01:42 PM   #3730
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Meanwhile, S3 from Gorzów Wielkopolski to Zielona Góra (Sulechów) won't open before Euro2012 due to an abundance of bids for the tenders (66!) and environmental issues.

But I don't see S3 as a top priority, I really hope they manage to open A2 and S2 to Warszawa. What are the chances of S2 being opened in 2012? As far as I know, they're only working on a short section with S79 near the airport.

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Old November 4th, 2009, 01:53 PM   #3731
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What ? 66 tender for this section ? Or this is including tenders for some kind of road equipment, rest areas etc ?
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Old November 4th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #3732
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66 bids for the tenders, sorry

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Old November 4th, 2009, 05:55 PM   #3733
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66 bids for the tenders, sorry
Chris, do you speak Polish or do you have a Polish speaking assistant browsing Polish threads for you?
A woman?
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Old November 4th, 2009, 06:08 PM   #3734
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I'm guessing Google Translate or something similar.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 06:10 PM   #3735
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Chris, do you speak Polish or do you have a Polish speaking assistant browsing Polish threads for you?
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No, not a (Polish) woman unfortunately

No, I know the most important words in Polish concerning road development, and I check FPW every day for news If there is a long news message, I throw Google Translate in
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Old November 4th, 2009, 08:19 PM   #3736
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Some nice pics of DK16 in northern Poland, between Iława and Ostróda

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Old November 4th, 2009, 08:27 PM   #3737
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I recently read on Wiki that Poland is building a motorway ring around Warsaw. Any news on that?
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I recently read on Wiki that Poland is building a motorway ring around Warsaw. Any news on that?
It is composed of several S-roads;

S2 - southern beltway
S7/S8 - northern/western beltway
S17 - eastern beltway

S7/S8 is more or less under construction. S2 is only U/C for a small section near the airport with S79, but I believe S2 should be U/C next year. I think S17 will take a little longer to begin construction.

Besides that, there is also a smaller ring road around the central parts of Warszawa, but I don't think those are all grade-separated (Klasy GP).
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I recently read on Wiki that Poland is building a motorway ring around Warsaw. Any news on that?
green - existing
red - U/C
pink - soon U/C (public - private partnership / design&build tenders signed)
yellow/orange - tender
blue - a bit more than soon U/C aka environmental location

This map is slightly outdated - section of A4 right by the UA border was signed today. (upgrade from orange to pink)

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Old November 4th, 2009, 09:37 PM   #3740
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Besides that, there is also a smaller ring road around the central parts of Warszawa, but I don't think those are all grade-separated (Klasy GP).
Obwodnica Śródmieścia/Central district bypass (GP-class):
completed: 1/4 (Trasa Łazienkowska, south + Starzyńskiego street, north-east),
exististing, awaiting upgrade: 1/2 without grade separation (Towarowa, Okopowa, Raszyńska streets, north & west),
planned: 1/4 planned (east).
Expected changes: nothing in next 5 years.

Obwodnica Miejska/City bypass (GP-class):
completed - 2/7 (Trasa Siekierkowska, south-east)
under construction - 1/7 (Most Północny/Northern Bridge)
planned: 4/7 (Trasa Olszynki Grochowskiej on the east, Trasa NS on the west)
Expected changes: Northern Brigde finished 2011/2012 + short extension towards west 2012/2013.

Obwodnica ekspresowa/Expressway bypass (S-class):
completed (S-class): 0
completed (GP-class, which is currently upgraded to S-class): 1/8 (S8 Trasa Toruńska, north-east)
completed (GP-class, that expects S-class upgrade): 1/8 (S8 Trasa AK section: Powązkowska - Modlińska, won't begin before Northern Bridge is finished)
under construction: 2/8 (S8 Trasa AK section: Konotopa - Powązkowska, north & S79/S2 section: Marynarska - Lotnisko - Puławska connector ,south)
tender announced: 1/8 (S2 Southern Bypass section: Konotopa - Lotnisko, south-west)
planned: 3/8 (S17 Eastern Bypass, S2 Southern Bypass section: Puławska - Lubelska, south-east)

Graphic: http://siskom.waw.pl/mapy/mapa-standia.html

Please click on the line/polygon to see newest announcments concerning each project.

(note: normal urban streets - G,Z-class - also included; most highways in Mazovian Region included, English translation available via Google Translate)

General key to the map:
- green: completed
- red: under construction
- orange: tender procedure under way
- blue: something is going on (environmental/technical/feasibility procedure under way
- violet: nothing is happening / status unknown / feasibility analysis under way

Important note: some roads might exist and be marked not-green, because they will be upgraded.

The map might be interesting, as it shows the maim problem o road construction in Warsaw metro area. Photos are from this spring.

Reserved areas for roads and highways are kept safe, but no one can ban building around them. Later new home owners are "surprised".

95% of these plans were drafted in early 70'. Before SISKOM was created, these plans were usually kept out of public view. Now there are available on web. No one can say that "they didn't know".
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