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Old November 6th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #3761
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You got the point!
Good we don't have such problems (with such advanced projects).

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Any idea about the traffic expectations for this border stretch?
Quite huge I must say



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Old November 7th, 2009, 12:43 AM   #3762
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Old November 7th, 2009, 10:13 AM   #3763
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Mmmm... I've just checked some local sources and the reality is even worse:

D1 47092 Bohumín – hranice s Polskem 6,1 km 8. 4. 2008 2011/2012

really strange , as I said I was in Bohumin this week and it looks that they are on the stage that they can lay the concrete tier (I think it will be concrete motorway becasue the last ready section in Bohumin is concrete). Bridges on the local roads, that will overpass the motorway, are ready,
the underlying stone tiers are ready as well waiting for top concrete tiers
to be done.
there is not much to be done for next 3 years so it`s difficult to believe that they will just stop the construction on such advanced stage - maybe not
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Old November 7th, 2009, 11:05 AM   #3764
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Old November 7th, 2009, 05:33 PM   #3765
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Question for the Polish SSC'ers:

The S22 is an 1x2 expressway between Elblag and the Russian border Grzechotki. How does this road continue towards Kaliningrad? The border region has outdated imagery on Google Earth, but further on, you'll see a new road to Kaliningrad, including an eastern bypass of Kaliningrad. Is the border crossing in use now?
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Old November 7th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #3766
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No ,the (Russian)border crossing is still closed

You can see some pics of the Russian part of the road on this site. In general, it is a simple 1x2 without flyovers.

http://www.berlinka.pcp.pl/kaliningrad_index_de.htm
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Old November 7th, 2009, 06:44 PM   #3767
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I wonder why the Polish rushed to complete the S22 here, if the Russians don't complete their part. There is another border crossing only 11 kilometers away, which seems to be quite modern at the Russian side.
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Old November 7th, 2009, 06:53 PM   #3768
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I wonder why the Polish rushed to complete the S22 here, if the Russians don't complete their part. There is another border crossing only 11 kilometers away, which seems to be quite modern at the Russian side.
It's just another example of current state of polish-russian relations at governmental level.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 01:29 AM   #3769
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S3 (Szczecin-Gorzow Wlkp.) is beginning to look good. (photos by Dszumaher)





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Old November 8th, 2009, 02:05 AM   #3770
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It's just another example of current state of polish-russian relations at governmental level.
Well, in that case the Polish just can tell the Russians the Braniewo/Mamonovo border crossing will be closed on the polish side by 2012. That will force them to complete the bordercomplex on the old Reichsautobahn. The city of Braniewo should be exonerated of through traffic.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 11:48 AM   #3771
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Well, in that case the Polish just can tell the Russians the Braniewo/Mamonovo border crossing will be closed on the polish side by 2012. That will force them to complete the bordercomplex on the old Reichsautobahn. The city of Braniewo should be exonerated of through traffic.
It's not the way how issues between countries should be resolved.

By the way: I don't thing that citizens of Braniewo would be happy about closure. They earn their living from that border crossing.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #3772
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Old November 8th, 2009, 01:23 PM   #3773
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It would be nice to add this map shows the condition of the road network.

My Polish translation;

grey = unknown
green = good condition
yellow = mediocre condition
red = bad condition
blue = under reconstruction
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Old November 8th, 2009, 02:49 PM   #3774
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yaay poland
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Old November 8th, 2009, 02:53 PM   #3775
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Still lot of yellow and red points
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Old November 8th, 2009, 03:00 PM   #3776
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You got the point!

Any idea about the traffic expectations for this border stretch?
So in Czech Republic you sign contract, start construction and then start looking for money? That's really weird approach to road construction.

But even if there is no money at the moment it would be cheaper fo contractor to finish construction and then wait for money rather than keep people, machines, guards etc for 5 yeras on that short stretch of road.

I would like to see any traffic predictions on A1/D47 border. I suspect they might be quite low. Especially initially, mainly long distance transit.
There are not many ties in the border region. Mybe later more people will work abroad etc.
There is huge potential. For Jastrzebie or Wodzislaw Ostrava might be good shoping or entertainment destination instead of Katowice.
We'll see.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 03:01 PM   #3777
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Mybe later more people will work abroad etc.
There is huge potential.
There's significant cross-border commute between Germany/Belgium and the Netherlands and from France to Luxembourg. This may happen in this area too, although the language might be a barrier.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 03:23 PM   #3778
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This may happen in this area too, although the language might be a barrier.
It is happening now and happened since I remember. There is no communication problem between people living alongside the border. Lot of inhabitants of Ostrava and Opava region have polish roots being minority in that area. It is an example of the dialects being used over there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lach_dialects
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Old November 8th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #3779
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It is happening now and happened since I remember. There is no communication problem between people living alongside the border. Lot of inhabitants of Ostrava and Opava region have polish roots being minority in that area. It is an example of the dialects being used over there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lach_dialects
Of course there is no massive communication problem but crosss border commuting is still rare.
But with improved transportation I can see it happening as well as increasing pull of Ostrava of polish shopers (which is already happening to some extend).
Why for example drive 60 km to Ikea in Katowice if there is one 20 km away in Ostrava

But when Polish motorways will get toll I would like to see some transborder deals. Otherwise a lot of benefit of the new road will be lost if people won't use it due to double toll, Polish and Czech.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 03:52 PM   #3780
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Otherwise a lot of benefit of the new road will be lost if people won't use it due to double toll, Polish and Czech.
I am afraid, it might happen!

Btw. Do you know where exactly Ikea shop is?
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