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Old December 28th, 2009, 01:27 PM   #4041
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(how do you pronounce "szcz"
Like this (in English letters): shtsh
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Old December 28th, 2009, 01:34 PM   #4042
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Traffic lights on an expressway?
Expy starts later down the road, but these lights don't work anyway.

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And wasn't this border control a waste of money?
Yes, it was. To be precise, of 12 million euro.
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Old December 28th, 2009, 02:20 PM   #4043
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Traffic lights on an expressway?

And wasn't this border control a waste of money? The connecting roads D3 and S69 will not be finished for years, so the control looked oversized to me an now it is obsolete because of Schengen.
Actually, the expressway begins after the traffic lights, if I've got it right.

The decision to build this border control station is made 2000 or so. In that time there was even not sure both countries came to the EU, not to mention Schengen group. Now it's useless. Btw you can buy it. The local authorities try to sell the station because of the cost of maitenance. (It will cost you same 100 mln zloty; the building cost was 140 mln zl or so)

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Road DK8 (DK = national road) north of Białystok, opened last week (same 6 km long, I think):

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Old December 29th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #4044
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I have just been on the A4 today, and I am wondering if there are reservations for a 3rd lane along the whole of the A4. It seems to me that between Krakow and Katowice, there is space for a third lane in the middle, however from Katowice to Wroclaw, there isn't enough space in the middle, so I am wondering if there are reservations on the sides possibly?
And also, on the other motorways and expressways, are there reservations for 3rd lanes?
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Old December 29th, 2009, 07:07 PM   #4045
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Yes they have !
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Old December 29th, 2009, 10:38 PM   #4046
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Some more statistics

Please look at here:

http://sites.google.com/site/sscplas/

xxxx-Qx - changes compared to previous quater
xxxx - chnages compared to previous year (end of December)
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Old December 29th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #4047
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Great map.

But I think it should follow traffic lights colors. Green for open, yellow/orange in construction/near construction and red for development phase. Now I always think red is bad.
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Old December 29th, 2009, 11:13 PM   #4048
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And also, on the other motorways and expressways, are there reservations for 3rd lanes?
Sometimes they leave some space on outer side which I think is one strange solution as you need to reconstruct all exit/enter lanes instead of just adding one inner lane.

And yes: all m'ways do have a possibility of adding 3rd lane and some e'roads (if not all) have it as well.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 12:53 AM   #4049
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Great map.

But I think it should follow traffic lights colors. Green for open, yellow/orange in construction/near construction and red for development phase. Now I always think red is bad.
Maps are not mine. This is already well accepted standard by Polish forumers.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #4050
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What are the chances of this road getting build?
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Old December 30th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #4051
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Rather low in the next few years, this is only a concept.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 04:35 PM   #4052
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I like it though. Warszawa - Radom - Rzeszów. It makes a lot of sense.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 05:50 PM   #4053
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You have also option through Lublin
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Old December 30th, 2009, 06:01 PM   #4054
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Via Lublin is about 30 km longer. But long distance traffic is one, but regional traffic is also important. If Poland gets traffic volumes like we have in Western Europe, a motorway connection between cities like Radom and Rzeszów is absolutely necessary. Another advantage of motorways is traffic safety and regional development, it's not all about the traffic volumes.

In Spain, they have constructed massive amounts of Autovías in the rural areas to prevent it from running empty, and thus they can't keep up a minimal level of services, like schools, hospitals, stores, etc. Urban development is one, but an empty rural area is not something I would see as a good thing.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 06:32 PM   #4055
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A2 Świecko - Nowy Tomyśl - Under construction



A2 Toll Plaza near Konin - under construction



A2 Toll Plaza near Łódź - under construction



Rest area - under construction


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Old December 30th, 2009, 06:50 PM   #4056
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Via Lublin is about 30 km longer. But long distance traffic is one, but regional traffic is also important. If Poland gets traffic volumes like we have in Western Europe, a motorway connection between cities like Radom and Rzeszów is absolutely necessary. Another advantage of motorways is traffic safety and regional development, it's not all about the traffic volumes.

In Spain, they have constructed massive amounts of Autovías in the rural areas to prevent it from running empty, and thus they can't keep up a minimal level of services, like schools, hospitals, stores, etc. Urban development is one, but an empty rural area is not something I would see as a good thing.
Yeah tell about it to our forward thinking authorities
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #4057
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Can some of the Polish forumers give me some more information about the DSU of S61/DK8 around Augustów?

I read the DSU was taken recently, so the bypass of Augustów is secured?

Will the entire route (variant 3) be build as S61? If so, will it continue via Lomza towards S8, or via Bialystok? Or will a part of this route be S61, and the rest DK8?
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Old December 30th, 2009, 10:13 PM   #4058
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I like it though. Warszawa - Radom - Rzeszów. It makes a lot of sense.
To be honest with you mate I don't belive that S9 will be under construction before 2030 or ever alternativelly expressway going to be S19 from Rzeszów throu Lublin finally to Białystok.
The question is this road S9 is so important for country and connections from outside the Polish border I don't really think so the most important is link S19 -S17 from Slovakia to Baltic countrys in this part of Poland.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 10:23 PM   #4059
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I read the DSU was taken recently, so the bypass of Augustów is secured?
Yes, it is.

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Will the entire route (variant 3) be build as S61? If so, will it continue via Lomza towards S8, or via Bialystok? Or will a part of this route be S61, and the rest DK8?
I suppose via Łomża, but when it comes down to that road, I'm not keeping up with the Joneses, so ask somebody else.
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Old December 31st, 2009, 12:28 AM   #4060
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Istniejąca
in operation

w budowie
U/C

podpisana umowa (PPP i Z&Z)
contract signed (PPP and P&B)

przetarg
tender announced

Z&Z
project & build

DŚU Decyzja o środowiskowych uwarunkowaniach
nfi Environmental Impact Assessments

PPP (Partnerstwo publiczno - prywatne) - podpisana umowa
PPP (Public - private partnership) - contract signed

*od momentu podpisania umowy na budowę, a wprzypadku odcinków budowanych w systemie PPP, od momentu rozpoczęcia budowy
*from contract signing, or from construction starts (when in PPP)


** przetargi w trybie "Zaprojektuj i zbuduj"
** project & build tenders

EDIT: BTW I tink it's a good idea to suggest chartsurfer to add english descriptions to his map
Here you may find legend fully translated:

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If needed - I have also BMP
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