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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #4121
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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:00 PM   #4122
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How long is that S69 tunnel actually?
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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #4123
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the sign says 680m, so i believe it is 680m long
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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #4124
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I'd leave Kraków as the last following and start to sign Dolný Kubín from Kraków on.
Yes, that would make sense. It's stupid if there is some tiny border village signed when it's still almost 350 km away. In opposite direction it's quite weird to sign Gdańsk and Warszawa already in Chyzne (but they are at least not tiny villages). There should Kraków, Rabka-Zdrój and Nowy Targ.

BTW, why there's Zilina instead of Žilina?
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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #4125
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Missed that one. Thanks.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:57 PM   #4126
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Old January 5th, 2010, 12:09 PM   #4127
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So when S69 will be opened?
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Old January 5th, 2010, 01:14 PM   #4128
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BTW, why there's Zilina instead of Žilina?
There we can see that not only NDS is pretty good in "writing" of signs.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #4129
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There we can see that not only NDS is pretty good in "writing" of signs.
NDS "write" them usually correctly, but there are some wrong signs. However, more mistakes you can find on national roads maintained by SSC (BTW, it's not SkyscraperCity, it's Slovenská správa ciest - Slovak road administration.).
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Old January 5th, 2010, 01:40 PM   #4130
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NDS "write" them usually correctly, but there are some wrong signs. However, more mistakes you can find on national roads maintained by SSC (BTW, it's not SkyscraperCity, it's Slovenská správa ciest - Slovak road administration.).
Yes, there are some wrong signs on D1 but only wrong Km, not wrong name of cities..

SSC- that would by fine if Skyscrapercity maintained roads..
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Old January 5th, 2010, 03:01 PM   #4131
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Are there any traffic fatality stats for 2009 yet?
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Old January 5th, 2010, 03:51 PM   #4132
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Are there any traffic fatality stats for 2009 yet?
As for 31.10.2009

4168 dead
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Old January 5th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #4133
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Old January 5th, 2010, 06:45 PM   #4134
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Old January 5th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #4136
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As for 31.10.2009

4168 dead
51618 wounded in 40570 incidents
These are stats until 30/11/2009. http://dlakierowcow.policja.pl/porta...esiecznym.html

The comparison with previous year looks quite promising:
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           I-XI’2008   I-XI’2009  %change  change volume
Accidents  45014       40570      90,1     -4444
Dead        4944        4168      84,3      -776
Wounded    57196       51618      90,2     -5578



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That's what they use. The real intention is to obstruct the construction of new roads as much as possible. Do you really think they only do it so that the law will be obeyed to the letter?
Come on, you're talking about NIMBYs and BANANAs. Augustów is not the case.

We have lots of NIMBYs and BANANAs in Poland, especially around Warsaw - every single road here gets protested with any kind of stupid reason you can think of. But in Augustów protests came from real environmentalists, like many university professors, not just a bunch of BANANA kids. Because it was just plain stupid to build the old way.

I mean, what would be the point of digging in the swamp, making 30-meter-deep foundations for every pillar of that half-km-long bridge, if you can bypass the swamp entirely and build a small bridge over the Rospuda river in Raczki, where there is solid ground, perfect for the purpose? Look at the costs!

It was just madness to go into the swamp, and someone had to stop it.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 07:39 PM   #4137
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That stretch of S7 is really bumpy. You can spot waves on asphalt...
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Old January 5th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #4138
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NIMBY's aren't the biggest problems in road construction. Only a few of them know business, and are rich enough to send some lawyers in. The real problem are environmentalists who specialize in anti-road construction. These have the knowledge to shoot down projects on errors and loopholes in the documents.

If a 100 people/organizations object to a road construction, 90 of them do not have the knowledge about the laws around it. 5 of them are smart enough to consult attorneys and could mean potential danger to the project. The remaining 5 are really tough, and usually try to find any error to delay or cancel the project. More often than not they find some error or loophole, because let's face it, preparing those documents is human work. This can potentially delay the construction by months, and possible longer.

The real year-on-year delays are usually caused by incompetent politicians and public officials. Fixing an error in a required document, may take half a year to get it right, but delays for years or even decades is another matter. Sometimes they revise their opinion, loose interest, budget cut-backs, priorities change, etc.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 09:08 PM   #4139
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NIMBY's aren't the biggest problems in road construction. Only a few of them know business, and are rich enough to send some lawyers in.
As I said, this kind exists mainly around Warsaw. S7 in Łomianki, where some prominent politicians have homes. Former S7 (connected to S8) in Magdalenka, where the rich lawyers themselves are living.

And S17/WOW (eastern bypass of Warsaw) in Wesoła, where the former minister of environment lives - the very person to issue the final environmental decision (then)... Fortunately, this case was passed to another minister to avoid the conflict of interests. Unfortunately, other NIMBYs stepped in, and there were problems anyway.

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The real problem are environmentalists who specialize in anti-road construction.
That's a definition of BANANA... not an average environmentalist.

You know, there's always a point in which yet another new road is not a good thing anymore. For BANANAs this point is "right here, right now". For road freaks it's "never". Most of the people fall somewhere in between - and that majority should have the power to decide about it. A few pages ago you've mentioned that Spain built autovias to such remote places that they had to cut the budget for schools & hospitals in the same areas. Isn't that too much road bulding?


Continuing the topic, but now as a reference to S9 Radom-Rzeszów: Don't be so sure the pace of road building in Poland will be the same forever.

First, Poland currently builds roads using borrowed money. And I'm not talking about the EU grants. We borrow money for our own part of the financing. Last year it was ~2 billion euros, for 2010 we need even more. At some point in the future we'll have to stop borrowing and start repaying... Let's hope we'll be rich enough to pay the debt then...

Second, the rail infrastructure in Poland is also in a desperate need of money. 10 years ago we had crappy roads and average-to-good railroads. Now, the roads have been quite imporoved, and will be improved in the years to come. But the railroads - after two decades of underfinancing - have fallen to really crappy state (excluding a few rebuilt stretches). So, there were already statements from the officials, that in the next EU budget (2013-20) Poland will have to put more money to rail and less to roads.

With all that - if the S9 Radom-Rzeszów is not in the current official plan, and even the official plan will not be fully built until 2020 - then my prediction for that road is "maybe, sometime around 2030, perhaps, ".
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Old January 5th, 2010, 09:10 PM   #4140
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That stretch of S7 is really bumpy. You can spot waves on asphalt...
It's 20 years old but certainly needs renovation.
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