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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #4161
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Well - names of cities in Polish starts with capital letter. When you write Zakopanem - works fine ;-)
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Old January 8th, 2010, 06:28 PM   #4162
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[S69] Bielsko Biała bypass

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Old January 8th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #4163
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Old January 8th, 2010, 10:48 PM   #4164
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Very close to the church of this village. Wasn't there a way to build the road around the village ?

And what an coincidence: a picture of a church by Kirchner...
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Old January 8th, 2010, 10:52 PM   #4165
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The problem with Bielsko-Biala is that it has mountainous areas to the southwest and southeast of the city. Only directly south of the city, there is a mountain gap, where the S69 is supposed to run through towards Zywiec.

Another issue, what seems to be mostly in Southern Poland and around Warszawa, is that the outskirts of cities tend to be semi-rural, with a lot of grown-together villages and strip development along roads. The rural areas therefore tend to be highly urbanized. Lead the roads around even that makes the road less useful to Bielsko-Biala.

Areas around Katowice, Kraków, Wroclaw and Warszawa also have this kind of rural pattern.

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Old January 9th, 2010, 01:42 AM   #4166
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Another issue, what seems to be mostly in Southern Poland and around Warszawa, is that the outskirts of cities tend to be semi-rural, with a lot of grown-together villages and strip development along roads. The rural areas therefore tend to be highly urbanized. Lead the roads around even that makes the road less useful to Bielsko-Biala.
This makes builiding really tough. I don't like those dispered villages in Poland. I wish we had villages more like in Slovakia with builidings concentrated in one cluster.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #4167
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Although Poland still has a long way to go, a huge improvement has been made in traffic fatalities.

In 2009, 4.564 people were killed, comparing to 5.437 in 2008.

173.324 people have been arrested for driving under influence (DUI). It seems like the Polish police has made alcohol checks a top priority. More people have been arrested for that than previous years, but this is most likely the result of more intensive enforcement.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 04:13 PM   #4168
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I'd wish that police checks existed in Denmark (which they do not)
According to Megafon, 1/3 of all danes with a drivers license has written text messages while driving. If the police did any checks at all, they'd be arresting like half a million people
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Old January 9th, 2010, 05:08 PM   #4169
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Old January 9th, 2010, 05:30 PM   #4170
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well, strict law and all those photo radars and huge improvement of roads quality seem to work well.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 05:48 PM   #4171
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well, strict law and all those photo radars and huge improvement of roads quality seem to work well.
There is still a very long way to go, even in absolute numbers, Poland has the highest number of traffic fatalities in Europe, while Germany has less, but almost 2.5 times more population.

The accident rate in Poland is 120 deaths per 1 million population. In Spain, for instance, it is 41.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 06:04 PM   #4172
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Yes, thats horrific numbers...
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Old January 10th, 2010, 12:12 AM   #4173
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Poland is quickly becoming a country of sound barriers and speed traps. Gone are the days when one could actually see landscapes while driving and not worry about being photographed.

Time is coming to rise up against GDDKiA's terror.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #4174
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Time is coming to rise up against GDDKiA's terror.
Actually, European regulation.

There are caps on the noise levels in Europe, and to achieve that, noise barriers are necessary. It is unfortunately something you'll see more and more in Europe. Nice for the people around, but not for the traveler. Although I do remember issues where the local residents were also against noise barriers, because they didn't have a view anymore. They rather had the noise than a noise barrier.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 12:48 AM   #4175
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That's understandable however I can show you literally kilometers of noise barriers put up where nobody lives, works or even spends time. If it was done to comply with some Euro road regulation then that regulation needs to be thrown out.

People usually complain when their businesses are "covered up" by noise barriers - such situation recently happened in Poland after a stretch of DK4 was modernized.


"Precz z ekranami przed dzialalnoscia gospodarcza" - loosely translated "Out with noise barriers before business activity".



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Old January 10th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #4176
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Noise barriers are not necessary for business, because they are not meant for permanent living. Only homes, hospitals and schools are subject to an acoustical survey, those are called "noise-sensitive subjects". Hotels, recreational parks, businesses, and campsites are not. That said, a noise barrier could still be necessary if there is a noise-sensitive subject is located behind or next to it, and noise levels are too high without measures.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 01:19 AM   #4177
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Last pictures remind me a feeder to D3 in Žilina. Around the motorway in Bielsko-Biala(my granfather was born there ), Zywiecki and slovak "Kysuce" region are very built-up areas. Life near motorway will be hard. Somewhere is it too close to villages and towns.

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Old January 10th, 2010, 10:06 AM   #4178
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Poland is quickly becoming a country of sound barriers and speed traps. Gone are the days when one could actually see landscapes while driving and not worry about being photographed.

Time is coming to rise up against GDDKiA's terror.
Time to lock you up for a while.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 12:18 PM   #4179
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Noise barriers are not necessary for business, because they are not meant for permanent living. Only homes, hospitals and schools are subject to an acoustical survey, those are called "noise-sensitive subjects". Hotels, recreational parks, businesses, and campsites are not. That said, a noise barrier could still be necessary if there is a noise-sensitive subject is located behind or next to it, and noise levels are too high without measures.
Polish environmental law does not distinguish business and noise-sensitive objects. Very often people have their business at home (on ground floor, living above).

Best they can do is build hardened glass barriers. Example on Modlińska street in Warsaw (DK61, GP-class):

The one who did it was captured, and hopefully sentenced.

On Wał Miedzeszyński street (DW801) they allowed business to advertise their location on city-owned information system, like these:
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Old January 10th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #4180
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Noise barriers may be damaging for businesses however there is other issue which remains unsolved. We have big problem in Poland with hundreds of thousands of aggresive commercials placed placed near roads.

It happens in other european countries too, but not on such a huge scale like there. Even in neighbouring countries like Czech Republic, Slovakia, Lithuania it not so bad

So far local governments were unable to solve to problem.


Those commercials often distract drivers attention and may cause traffic accidents. Example on the picture below.




If there is no other solution, maybe it is better just to cover all of 'this' with noise barriers.
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