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Old February 23rd, 2010, 03:37 AM   #4301
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Strict interpretation of the rules would require the use of Cyrillic script first, then the Latin transliteration, but in practice most countries use the transliterated name only written in Latin script
You're mixing things up. Article 14.2 refers to domestic place names in countries like Greece, Bulgaria or Ukraine. They are obligated to put the names in their own alphabet and then in the phonetic transliteration to Latin.

Bulgaria seems to have opted out from that, but Greece and Ukraine obey that rule, at least on international roads.
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It doesn't refer directly to names abroad. In my opinion, in that case transliteration would be good enough.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 12:56 PM   #4302
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You're mixing things up ...
I am not mixing anything up!

The Convention does not deal with cross-border names when going from Lating to Cyrillic script. Therefore, strict interpretation of Annex 1, Section G.5 is to write the palce name using original script.

I chucked in Artilce 14.2 for interest only, I am fully aware of what it says and means.

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Old February 23rd, 2010, 07:10 PM   #4303
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Man, I wish this signage would have been introduced a few years ago...
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Old February 25th, 2010, 02:57 AM   #4304
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Here are some great aerial photos of Gliwice (mostly of Sosnica interchange) found on the Polish forum.

December - http://a1-pyrzowice-sosnica.pl/zdjec...cze-2009-14-12
January - http://a1-pyrzowice-sosnica.pl/zdjec...cze-2010-05-01
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Old February 25th, 2010, 01:15 PM   #4305
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Sośnica interchange will look even better when the A1 reaches Zabrze in late 2011 as it will be a more complete interchange. Apparently it's being upgraded now in time for May 2010? It will be a nightmare to get the A1 through the
Gliwice-Zabrze-Bytom agglomeration given the many viaducts/tunnels needed to go over/under the numerous railways and streets. Urban sprawl won't help either as only as you go north towards Tarnowskie Góry is there any respite.
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Old February 25th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #4306
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Then you will go on S1 and then you will reach old DK1
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Old February 25th, 2010, 04:15 PM   #4307
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I meant that it will be a nightmare for the construction company who are building the A1 between Gliwice and Zabrze.
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Old February 25th, 2010, 06:17 PM   #4308
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S8 in Warszawa is now visible in Google Nerd:
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Old February 25th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #4309
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How is construction going on the S8 in Warsaw? Is it on schedule to open in
Dec of this year? Some recent construction photos would be good
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Old February 25th, 2010, 09:15 PM   #4310
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Also the S2 in the south:


and the Northern Bridge:
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Old February 25th, 2010, 09:42 PM   #4311
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Is S8 supposed to end in the fields near Konotopa for at least the next two years?
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Old February 25th, 2010, 10:31 PM   #4312
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Is S8 supposed to end in the fields near Konotopa for at least the next two years?
Companies responsible for design & construction of A2 have to prepeare the motorway to be "usable" ("driveable"?) for 30th of May 2012.

The motorway is supposed to be certified for usage before all work is finished. Polish law is sometimes flexible, if you really want it to be so.

One more thing: in one-to-one talks officials seem to be optimistic about A2.
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Old February 26th, 2010, 12:17 AM   #4313
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You can see also that:

http://maps.google.de/maps?hl=de&ie=...19033&t=k&z=16
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Old February 26th, 2010, 04:15 PM   #4314
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Another section of the A4 got the green light for construction today. A part of the Rzeszow northern bypass from Rzeszow Centralny to Rzeszow Wschod.



Source translated in English:
http://translate.google.com/translat...a-na-budowe-a4

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Old February 26th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #4315
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Hello,

After visiting the Highways forum for quite a while, I finally decided to register in order to be able to participate in some debates. First of all, I would like to express my sincere congratulations to the Poles who are constructing these new highways! I was very positively surprised by the brand-new A4 this summer when I decided to visit Wroclaw after a short stay in Dresden.

If I knew about the existence of this forum at that time, I would not have picked the last day (13/08/09) before the opening of the section border-intersection near Boleslawiec .

Anyway, I just would like to emphasize what has already been reported by some:

1) It is very strange that when driving towards Germany, not a single large German city is signed... especially for people who don't know the names of the little towns at the border (Jedrychowice if I recall it right), it must be difficult to choose at the intersection near Boleslawiec. You would expect something like the highway to Berlin or the highway to Dresden.

2) Concerning the translation of city names... being Dutch of origin, near the Belgian border, I'm quite familiar with the enormous mess around Limburg: many cities have different names in Dutch, French and German. I had hoped that the German-Polish relations would be a little bit smarter where each respects the name in the language of the other. But this hope was already shattered when seing a sign "Breslau" in Germany. I can fully understand that 99% of the Germans will never use the word "Wroclaw" to designate the city, but I don't think they will be shocked (nor disoriented) by seeing a sign that says "Wroclaw". But well, perhaps they should start giving the good example elsewhere...

It's a pity that Poland is that far away for me now (currently living in Paris), otherwise I'd be around a lot more often!
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Old February 27th, 2010, 09:27 PM   #4316
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Dzisiaj inauguracja nowej mapki w wątku statystycznym - cieszę się, że wreszcie doczekaliśmy wszyscy tej chwili

We have new map of polish highways and motorways on forum
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Old February 27th, 2010, 09:39 PM   #4317
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red color - U/C
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Old February 27th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #4318
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And the other colors ?
Does blue perhaps mean "planned" or something like "right-of-way decision taken" ? Is there more "planned" ? I can't believe the S61 stub wouldn't be part of a greater plan...
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Old February 27th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #4319
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And the other colors ?
Does blue perhaps mean "planned" or something like "right-of-way decision taken" ? Is there more "planned" ? I can't believe the S61 stub wouldn't be part of a greater plan...
Green - completed (yellow middle line for tolled stretches)
Red - under construction
Violet - "design & build" project - drawing period
Yellow - bid open
Brown - bid open ("design & build" project)
Blue - Environmental Impact Assesment accepted

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Old February 27th, 2010, 11:34 PM   #4320
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Thank you.
I only miss other planned roads.
Time for grey color lines ?
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