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Old March 2nd, 2010, 04:25 AM   #4341
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Would it be much different distance-wise driving from Wrocław to Praha if one hits A4 from Wroclaw to Legnica and then S3 southwards?
Another thing I want to mention is the Wrocław Wien road. The local government of Lower Silesia asserts that the government enters the S5 Expressway to the Czech border in Boboszów on a carry out list within the limits of so called Central European transport corridor. Below, you'll find link to capacious article about it:

http://investmap.pl/wiadomosci/dolny...twa,10299.html

However, the above mentioned road from Wrocław to Wien was planned by German Nazis. I found this website with its stages layed out:

http://www.dalnice.com/mapy/automapy...y_r43_uvod.htm








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For me the biggest missing link is possible S8 from Wroclaw through Klodzko basin towards Czech border.
At the moment Klodzko Basin is only really connected with "the rest od Poland" by DK8 with quite hilly section cutting through mountains separating basin from lowlands. It is narrow, slow and dangerous road.
Klodzko basin is already an important tourist region (many famous spa towns, very interesting geology and history) with huge potential for growth. But it needs decent road connection to prosper.
It would be also quickest link from Wroclaw or Poznan (via S5) to Prague.

It would be much more used than S69 which we currently build from Zywiec to Slovakia passing through some villages.
Sometimes we get our priorities very strange indeed.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:58 AM   #4342
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Would it be much different distance-wise driving from Wrocław to Praha if one hits A4 from Wroclaw to Legnica and then S3 southwards?
305 vs 275 km.


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However, the above mentioned road from Wrocław to Wien was planned by German Nazis. I found this website with its stages layed out:

http://www.dalnice.com/mapy/automapy...y_r43_uvod.htm
Yes, Reichsautobahn 88 was planned from Wroclaw to Wien. The Germans and the Czech government signed a treaty for it that would make construction in CZ possible, and I believe construction even started with remnants visible around Brno.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 04:47 PM   #4343
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So only 15 min difference on law speed driving. Not much indeed.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 04:50 PM   #4344
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Or 10 liters diesel for each truck.

That means on a truck count of 8,000 a daily waste of 80,000 liters of diesel. Or 29,200,000 liters per year.

Two statistics, different approaches.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 05:02 PM   #4345
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If calculation is correct it is true. But this fuel costs will be paid by private companies no by government.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 07:07 PM   #4346
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Yes, Reichsautobahn 88 was planned from Wroclaw to Wien. The Germans and the Czech government signed a treaty for it that would make construction in CZ possible, and I believe construction even started with remnants visible around Brno.
Tracing this one on Google maps - **TOTALLY FASCINATING!!!**



I never even knew of this one.

Are they really taking that never-completed autobahn grade and bridgeworks and completing it?

WOW!



I am kind of curious as to why they Czechs had to sign a treaty with the Germans to finish it, unless Germany is still considered to be the unfinished road's owner.

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Old March 2nd, 2010, 07:08 PM   #4347
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A reincarnation is planned in the form of the Austrian S2, A5, Czech R52 and R43, and hopefully a Polish S? to Wroclaw.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 07:57 PM   #4348
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Maybe but not in next 5-10 years. There are so much more important projects. Like S61.
I used to live in Suwalki (there is national road 8, we have no bypass. DK8 in this place will be S61. In future.) now I live 20km north from the city. Heavy traffic is huge here (official statistics are... bit lower than reality.) because it is "the chosen one" road to Lithuania (yeah, there is always DK16 but it is a bit... tight. In fact that is a former voivodship road).
And S61 is not only one road needed for yesterday. So S3, south of Wroclaw must wait.
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Sure, the western European motorway networks weren't built in 15 years either. In fact, 75 years after the first real European motorway, Germany is still building new ones. The Netherlands as well after 73 years of their first motorway.

But I do think a Wrocław - Kłodzko - Svitavy motorway/expressway should be included in long-term plans.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:18 PM   #4350
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And western Europe never suffered so much like central and east part of continent (thx Nobility, thx Russian Empire, thx Great War[western front was stable, eastern was always on move destroying everything including our poor infrastructure], thx mr Lenin, thx WW2 and mr Stalin, thx Commies [We've been makeing you bancruted since 1944!] )
Anyway, since we've join EU, we're makeing a big progress.
I'm hope that we'll do our task to Euro 2012 .
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:27 PM   #4351
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I am kind of curious as to why they Czechs had to sign a treaty with the Germans to finish it, unless Germany is still considered to be the unfinished road's owner.
You got it wrong way around. The treaty was signed in 1938 to allow German extra-territorial motorway through CZ (but the act was far from voluntary).
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 05:52 AM   #4352
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This Friday (March 5) they are opening the Laliki tunnel. (678m)

http://www.panoramy-wirtualne.pl/tunel-laliki/

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Old March 3rd, 2010, 06:04 PM   #4353
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^ S69 Szare - Laliki





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Old March 3rd, 2010, 07:16 PM   #4354
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This Friday (March 5) they are opening the Laliki tunnel. (678m)

http://www.panoramy-wirtualne.pl/tunel-laliki/

Some great panoramas by forumer marek_kocjan
Amazing!
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 08:22 PM   #4355
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So now that the Laliki tunnel is ready for opening when will works start on the Węgierska Górka tunnel (930m) and the Milówka tunnel (1000m) to make the S69 more complete and faster for drivers to use?
The Laliki tunnel looks fantastic
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Yeah it surprises me works haven't started on those two tunnels yet. Maybe they wanted to get some experience with the Emilia tunnel first.
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 08:57 PM   #4357
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Perhaps they will use the cut and cover technique to construct the two other tunnels on S69 given that both will be much longer than the Emilia tunnel?
I bet the tenders for construction of the Milówka and Węgierska Górka tunnels haven't even been prepared yet. The S69 is a priority expressway given the fact it is the most direct link between Poland and the Czech Republic in that part of the country
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 09:18 PM   #4358
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There's no reason to hurry, construction of adjacent Slovak motorway still haven't started. S 69 doesn't have big sense without it. According to our National Motorway Company it's supposed to start in June 2010, but that's impossible, tender wasn't yet announced. Not to mention that section is hell expensive, it costs 660 million €.

Current road in Slovakia looks like this:


As you can see vehicles above 7.5 t cannot use it.

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Perhaps they will use the cut and cover technique to construct the two other tunnels on S69 given that both will be much longer than the Emilia tunnel?
I bet the tenders for construction of the Milówka and Węgierska Górka tunnels haven't even been prepared yet. The S69 is a priority expressway given the fact it is the most direct link between Poland and the Czech Republic in that part of the country
S69 is connection of Poland and Czech Republic?
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Sorry meant to put Slovakia not Czech Republic my mistake
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^ S69 Szare - Laliki
I was confused because on the Polish forum it was mentioned as Szare-Laliki, but wikipedia lists it as Laliki I-Laliki II. So I just went with Laliki (which should have been Emilia) tunnel.
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