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Old April 9th, 2010, 08:57 AM   #4461
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My German is very very bad. Google translate goes mad everytime i put itno translation (it works but i can not understand any of those sentences).

So, maybe someone can at least say what is in this article.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 09:14 AM   #4462
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Basicly the article says that a chinese company won the contract for a section of A2 and european construction companies are argiung that it is receiving state support from the chinese government and that thay can not compete with that. For example it is said that the company received a bank guarantee that would be imposiible for eu companis to get. My German is not very good, i hope i got it right.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #4463
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I hope the Germans will not achieve anything with that. This motorway is extremely important for Poland and our government can never let anybody stop the construction. Anybody
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Old April 10th, 2010, 03:47 AM   #4464
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I hope the Germans will not achieve anything with that. This motorway is extremely important for Poland and our government can never let anybody stop the construction. Anybody
i agree with you, let them construct it then they can argue
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Old April 10th, 2010, 10:52 PM   #4465
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R.I.P. Lech Kaczynski. My condolences. We Hungarians are shocked.
We will be always friends, Polish brothers.


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Old April 11th, 2010, 12:19 AM   #4466
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Köszönöm szépen Zsimi80
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Old April 11th, 2010, 08:16 PM   #4467
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R.I.P. Lech Kaczynski. My condolences. We Hungarians are shocked.
We will be always friends, Polish brothers.


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Old April 11th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #4468
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[QUOTE=zsimi80;54898565]Off topic:

R.I.P. Lech Kaczynski. My condolences. We Hungarians are shocked.
We will be always friends, Polish brothers.


We are shocked too, because this tragedy happened in our Russian land. I hope that Russian and Polish people will become closer to each other.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #4469
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It's incredible what happened... I was at my parents place and when my father told me he heard it on the news, I thought he was joking. It's too surreal to be true...
But unfortunately it IS true...

I'm sure it scared the hell out of the Russians who saw this terrible accident happen in their country...

My sincere condolances.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 10:23 PM   #4470
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My deepest condolences to Polish nation, but whatever happened, happened, so I think we should stick back to highways now.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #4471
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Your coments are so nice. Thank you. It is a lot for us.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 09:50 PM   #4472
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Alpine Bau wants to cancel a section of A1 tender, more in Polish at:

http://gospodarka.gazeta.pl/gospodar...a_odcinek.html
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Old April 14th, 2010, 12:33 AM   #4473
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Alpine Bau trying every opportnity eh ?

Soon the upgrade of 60 km (national road 8) stretch to expressway standards between Rawa Mazowiecka and Piotrków Trybunalski will start
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Old April 14th, 2010, 01:34 AM   #4474
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By the way, the German Article which was posted here has not much to do with Germany at all. It is the European construction industry which is complaining, that the Chinese Overseas Engineering Company (Covec) gots a contract for a part of the motorway Warsaw-Lodz by undercutting all other offers by more than 40 percent. A spokesman claims, that the offer by the Covec is against the rules of competition in Europe and should not be allowed. He claims in the article that the Chinese Government is subsidizing this project in order to get a foot in the European construction market. Otherwise such a cheap offer would not be possible. The spokesman further argues, that the European construction market could severely disturbed if state backed construction companies are allowed to compete. Furthermore, the Chinese market is practically closed for foreign companies, which would be another argument for not allowing Chinese companies to operate in Europe.

...So no reason to critize ze Germans, even though they are always to blame :-)
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Old April 14th, 2010, 01:59 AM   #4475
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Next time German journalists should look in general at the current situation in Poland and because of the crisis, offers in tenders across Poland are much, much lower, lower than than initial investor's cost calculation stated
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Old April 14th, 2010, 09:52 AM   #4476
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[...] He claims in the article that the Chinese Government is subsidizing this project in order to get a foot in the European construction market. Otherwise such a cheap offer would not be possible.
...So no reason to critize ze Germans, even though they are always to blame :-)
It's "ze Chermans"

Ad rem:
1° these are, as you write, just "claims". I cannot see how "it could not be possible" constitutes an argument.

2° there are many things Germans cannot imagine to make cheaper. This is not a personal comment towards you or your nation, but a general observation I made having been in Germany almost two years. The prime example: health insurance. Instead of cutting the enormous administration costs, we were served another increase in insurance premiums. That's not how things normally get done in business. Germany is resisting this motion [to be more efficient at the cost of quality], but for how long more will they be able to?

3° Knowing China a bit "from the inside" (pardon me, but is "quality control" a word in Mandarin?) I cannot see why anybody would select a Chinese company, BUT if you follow the law, you have to grant the contract to the winning company, otherwise the state could face huge compensation claims.

So what's going to happen now: the Chinese will be learning how to build roads in Poland, there will be faults (ad acta: there were faults when Polish companies built, as well), and there will be repairs. The Chinese will not make any money on it, but they will get into the market.

4° I am personally agains "German bashing", although it's a popular game.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 11:01 AM   #4477
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Next time German journalists should look in general at the current situation in Poland and because of the crisis, offers in tenders across Poland are much, much lower, lower than than initial investor's cost calculation stated
True story, but wasn't the Chinese offer also *much* lower than the other competing companies, which, in their turn, were already significantly lower than the budget?

Anyway, I think this Chinese issue is important to follow during the next projects, unlawful competition should be stopped as much as possible. Let the Chinese conquer Africa for now.

Does anybody know why the works on A2 haven't started yet (Stryków - Konotopa)? If they want to open this motorway in time for Euro 2012, they better start pouring some concrete.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 12:43 PM   #4478
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A2 construction - first they have to prepare documentation to start construction (April, May - deadline), then they have to get construction permit. Real activities should start August (?).

Winnig proposals were not so lower then these of other competitors.

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True story, but wasn't the Chinese offer also *much* lower than the other competing companies, which, in their turn, were already significantly lower than the budget?

Anyway, I think this Chinese issue is important to follow during the next projects, unlawful competition should be stopped as much as possible. Let the Chinese conquer Africa for now.

Does anybody know why the works on A2 haven't started yet (Stryków - Konotopa)? If they want to open this motorway in time for Euro 2012, they better start pouring some concrete.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 06:48 PM   #4479
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But the ecological mafia is not refusing to stop the construction of A2 Łódź - Warszawa. On 23.04 we will know if the whole project will not collapse and their will be a huge disaster for our motorway plans.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 10:23 PM   #4480
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So really they have less than 1.5 year...
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