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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:31 AM   #4561
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Expressway through Rospuda valley was totally mad idea. It required building bridges over kilometres of swamplands and 'NATURA2000' protected areas (<- no funding from EU!) and was considered only because it didn't require painful process of buying the land from several separate farmers. And (and I totally mean 'in addition'), the Valley IS a pristine piece of land and it is worth preserving when a (better!) alternative is available.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 03:04 AM   #4562
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I concur with that, as far as I support road building program, Rospuda valley is beautiful and unique place. Destroing it especially when THERE IS alternative route would be total madness or Mad Max ;-) ...
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Old May 6th, 2010, 04:38 AM   #4563
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Old May 6th, 2010, 04:50 AM   #4564
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Old May 6th, 2010, 08:35 AM   #4565
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Awesome update, nice find
They build freeways so different in Europe then in North America, especially in the 1st pic above with that overpass all by its lonesome with no dirt or any thing around it.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 10:07 AM   #4566
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I concur with that, as far as I support road building program, Rospuda valley is beautiful and unique place. Destroing it especially when THERE IS alternative route would be total madness or Mad Max ;-) ...
It's not unique, it's... unnatural. Whole that forest etc etc is made by man!
Believe me if someone wait for bypass for almost 40 years and then some green terrorist from... Silesia, Warsaw tell that we can wait another 10-20 years, that made me (and not only me) really pissed of!
And another funny thing is, that there is now a road with end... in middle of nowhere. Because yes it was building already!
As I see be "green" is even more popular in Poland, than in Western Europe.
And destroying? It was planned well but hell yeah, you would be never able again to swim canoe in Rospuda, with is more destructive for environment. And you still can use Czarna Hańcza and Augustowski Kanał instead.

But for people like you it is so simple. Took away money for this region.
And what's the funniest thing in middle '90, "Warsaw" told "Bypass of Augustow and Suwalki can't be so long! Let's build it through Rospuda Valley!". Because modern plan of bypass through S61 is the oldest one, the first. It could be build a long, long time ago. But it was "too long". Funny huh?

At present our "green heroes" trying to do something even worse. A18 is strategical road, not just for Poland but for Europe too. But people like you give for them power. Today they stop rebuilding Autostrada, tomorrow...?
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Old May 6th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #4567
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Does anybody know when the A6 upgrade/modernisation between the interchange with national road 10 and the interchange with Tczewska and national road 142 will be completed? The crossroads at Tczewska is far too dangerous as it is and the current S3 between Szczecin (interchange Kijewo) and Rzęśnica (142) needs signing as A6 soon It will only be another 8km (5 miles) of motorway for Poland but it is urgently needed to make the road safer. I would like to see the A6 extended as far north as Goleniów.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #4568
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Rospuda Valley and the planned renovation of the A18 is like comparing apples and oranges. Any discussion on this topic is likely to polarise us, just like it did on the Polish subforum. So I choose to stay out of this discussion, save to say that I am all for building responsibly and 'green' but with my pragmatic hat firmly on.

Changing the topic slightly - the above pictures of the A2, S3 an S11 are like poetry to me and incredibly uplifting.
And I just hope that someone remembers to remove that 'STOP' sign on the S3 eastbound slip road at 3:54.


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Old May 6th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #4569
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It's not unique, it's... unnatural. Whole that forest etc etc is made by man!
Believe me if someone wait for bypass for almost 40 years and then some green terrorist from... Silesia, Warsaw tell that we can wait another 10-20 years, that made me (and not only me) really pissed of!
And another funny thing is, that there is now a road with end... in middle of nowhere. Because yes it was building already!
As I see be "green" is even more popular in Poland, than in Western Europe.
And destroying? It was planned well but hell yeah, you would be never able again to swim canoe in Rospuda, with is more destructive for environment. And you still can use Czarna Hańcza and Augustowski Kanał instead.

But for people like you it is so simple. Took away money for this region.
And what's the funniest thing in middle '90, "Warsaw" told "Bypass of Augustow and Suwalki can't be so long! Let's build it through Rospuda Valley!". Because modern plan of bypass through S61 is the oldest one, the first. It could be build a long, long time ago. But it was "too long". Funny huh?

At present our "green heroes" trying to do something even worse. A18 is strategical road, not just for Poland but for Europe too. But people like you give for them power. Today they stop rebuilding Autostrada, tomorrow...?
I'm far from being "green hero". I also understand what does it mean to have national road going right through the center of hometown. I was living for almost twenty years near that kind of road, my family still lives there. I agree, it is a nightmare sometimes. In a way you are lucky, because in my hometown there will not be any bypass in foreseeable future, you at least can have some hopes... Nevertheless, my opinion is that Rospuda valley either by man doings or by nature itself is great natural phenomena, and I'm in favour to preserve it if THERE IS another option. And as far as I know it is... If because of that opinion you choose to call me "green hero" or any other silly adjective, it is your choice, but first those kind of hiperbolic speaking gets you far away from truth, secondly it don't give more strenght to your own opinions to wich you are entitled to, thirdly any further conversation with you seems futile, which is good because it is indeed probably not a good forum for that.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #4570
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But for people like you it is so simple. Took away money for this region.
And what's the funniest thing in middle '90, "Warsaw" told "Bypass of Augustow and Suwalki can't be so long! Let's build it through Rospuda Valley!". Because modern plan of bypass through S61 is the oldest one, the first. It could be build a long, long time ago. But it was "too long". Funny huh?
That is the point of my speech. Yeah saving places like Rospuda is good but once more someone wanted money. We allowed for green too much and now we're suffering because of this.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 09:06 AM   #4571
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That is the point of my speech. Yeah saving places like Rospuda is good but once more someone wanted money. We allowed for green too much and now we're suffering because of this.
Saving Rospuda meant also saving money...
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Old May 7th, 2010, 01:58 PM   #4572
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Start of building on [A4] Szarów - Tarnów.
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Old May 8th, 2010, 09:37 PM   #4573
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[S3] Szczecin - Gorzów WLKP.

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Zawsze chodzi o wybór, którą drogę wybrać do remontu w przypadku "mikroskopijnego" budżetu. W przypadku odcinka DW122, mającego służyć "tylko" mieszkańcom Pyrzyc i okolic, mogło to nie wystarczyć jako argument do podjęcia decyzji o remoncie właśnie tego fragmentu? Pewnie "wygrała", inna w dużo gorszym stanie droga. Oczywiście, są to tylko moje dywagacje, bo konkretnej wiedzy na te temat nie posiadam.

CD przejażdżki po odc.I.




Widok tuż po minięciu WE-12, dalej w tle WD-11.


Zbliżamy się do WD-11.


WD-11 z bliska.


Widok po minięciu WD-11.


Specjalnie nie komentuję tego zdjęcia. Zobaczymy co wam przyjdzie do głowy?


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Daleko na horyzoncie, pojawia się WD-10.






Kawałek dalej w km 11+785.00 jest PZ-10a, ale trudno się zorientować, że się nad nim przejeżdża (nie ma barier, jedynie zielone „naprowadzacze” zwierzyny u podnóża nasypu, sugerują jego istnienie).


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CD.

Mijamy PZ-10a, pod S3. Przed nami WD-10.


Bliżej WD-10.


"Rzut oka" na wzmocnienie skarpy tłuczniem.


WD-10 z bliska.


Prawdziwa dbałość, nawet o najmniejsze szczegóły.


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...i wszystko jasne.

CD.

Widok po minięciu WD-10.


Zbliżamy się do WD-9 i węzła "Gryfino" w Gardnie.
Lubię to zestawienie słów. Tak wiem, że wiele osób na tym forum jest wyznawcą stosowania nazw węzłów np. .najbliższej "większej" miejscowości. Ja jestem w tym konkretnym przypadku za inną koncepcją i w słuszności takiego myślenia, utwierdzili mnie moi znajomi. Prosty przykład, ostatnio zabrałem na przejażdżkę tym odcinkiem S3, dwóch moi kolegów (notabene długoletni kierowcy), którzy na widok tablicy węzeł "Gryfino", krzyknęli jednym chórem - "Ooo, to jesteśmy w Gryfinie", a ja im na to, że owszem tu można zjechać do Gryfina, ale żeby tam dojechać, trzeba jeszcze pokonać ok.9km drogą wojewódzką. Byli mocno zdziwieni, dlaczego w taki razie ten węzeł nie nazywa się "Gardno". Podobne uwagi mieli jak opowiedziałem im o węźle "Pyrzyce" w Parnicy (do Pyrzyc ok.10km) i węźle "Myślibórz" w Renicach (do Myśliborza ok.7km).



Pierwsze latarnie węzła "Gryfino", a w tle WD-9.


WD-9 z bliska, a w tle widać już WD-8 (główny obiekt węzła "Gryfino").




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And what is still under construction on S3? Are there pictures of it?
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Old May 9th, 2010, 08:27 AM   #4575
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Old May 9th, 2010, 01:15 PM   #4576
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Old May 10th, 2010, 12:25 AM   #4577
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And what is still under construction on S3? ...
The works on circa 1000 meter long moor section were stopped because of environmental issues. Then a new longer viaduct was designed. So, it will be finished in September.

And then the last section near Gorzow (27 km long) is still unter consruction:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...96160&page=271

Should be done later this year.

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Old May 10th, 2010, 02:59 PM   #4578
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A4 is getting closer and closer to completion.

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Today, in the Rzeszów branch of GDDKiA, a contract for the construction of more than 32-kilometer section of the A4 motorway from W. Dębica Pustynia to W. Rzeszów Zachód was signed. Contractor for this investment will be Budimex SA The contract value is over 1.73 billion PLN. The project is intended to be co-financed from EU funds from the Operational Programme Infrastructure and Environment and from the budget. End of work is planned for June 2012.

Signing of the contract for the construction of the A4 motorway was accompanied by the signing of an agreement with Poland on the ECM Group project management POIiŚ Tarnow, Rzeszow, and supervise the execution of the works in this section. The contract value is more than 15 million zł.


Construction on the section of A4 motorway W. Dębica Pustynia to W. Rzeszów Zachód will include:
-Construction of the motorway A-4 with a length of about 32.75 km,
-Construction of collision-free motorway junction "Ropczyce" type "trumpet" charging station with SOPs;
- Construction of access roads and collecting and converting existing cross roads (provincial, district and municipal access), which cross the proposed highway A-4 to adjust the technical parameters of these roads to Class Z, L, D;
-Engineering-construction of facilities such as a motorway bridge, five highway bridges (with complex passages for animals), 12 highway viaducts, 12 overpasses road, 8 road bridges, crossing three mountain big animal, two to go under the highway for a medium-sized animals
- Construction of road culverts in the highway and cross over the road rebuilt (59 reinforced concrete framework, 30 arc-circular pipe, 490 pipe ring)
- Construction of equipment for environmental protection such as noise barriers, green insulation, highway fences, passage for animals, equipment cleaning wastewater runoff from the roads, reservoirs associated with the drainage system;
- Construction of road safety equipment such as barriers to energy-intensive, horizontal and vertical marking, emergency entrances, emergency travel;
- Construction of two service areas ILO Bratkowice type I and Dabrye - implementation of the target;
- Construction of two service areas ILO s North and South Paszczyna type III and II provided for the development of the second stage.
- Construction site toll PPO;
- Construction and reconstruction of infrastructure, technical facilities:
- Highway construction fencing, including gates, security pass over watercourses.
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[S5] Bypass Poznań

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