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Old January 12th, 2008, 10:11 PM   #441
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Poland is strange country - for example Drogowa Trasa Srednicowa, which have got 12 lanes isn't highway, but highway A4 between Katowice and Cracow which is everytime in renovation is highway. And "Gierkówka" in Upper Silesia is uncolised highway, three lanes and it isn't highway.
This non-highways have got the same standard like motorway, but it was build by GZM or Silesian Voivodship, not by GDDKiA.
I think they have too many entrances/exists for them to be classified as highways.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 10:16 PM   #442
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"Colissional crossings"--- I like that.
I have never heard of that word. Babelfish can't make anything from it either.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 10:32 PM   #443
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what he meant was an "at-grade junction"
collisional crossing is a literal translation from Polish
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Old January 12th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #444
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what he meant was an "at-grade junction"
collisional crossing is a literal translation from Polish
I think you have permanent problem with literal translations from Polish.

You should serve as online dictionary.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 11:27 PM   #445
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What's your point?
Do you mean I'm nitpicking?
Well, I'm not if that's the case.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 11:33 PM   #446
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Sorry guys for my crap english. I will improve it. I'm sorry for it again.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 12:24 AM   #447
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Nothing to be sorry for
Every thing's clear now, so let's get back to polish motorways
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Old January 13th, 2008, 01:47 AM   #448
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Drogowa Trasa Średnicowa should be at least expressway. For example S79, or DTŚ with ''car symbol'' in sign
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Old January 13th, 2008, 12:43 PM   #449
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Is that here?

Yes, but You can't see this lanes

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I think they have too many entrances/exists for them to be classified as highways.
One entrances for 3 km or less.

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Autostrada wg Rozporządzenia Ministra Transportu i Gospodarki Morskiej z dnia 2 marca 1999 – w sprawie warunków technicznych, jakim powinny odpowiadać drogi publiczne i ich usytuowanie powinna mieć powiązania z drogami głównymi i drogami wyższych klas. Odstępy między węzłami nie powinny być mniejsze niż 15 km, a w granicach lub sąsiedztwie dużego miasta lub zespołu miast nie mniejsze niż 5 km. W wyjątkowych sytuacjach, jeżeli potrzeby funkcjonalno-ruchowe takie odstępy uzasadniają, dopuszcza się pojedyncze odstępy między węzłami nie mniejsze niż 5 km i 3 km w granicach lub sąsiedztwie dużego miasta lub zespołu miast. Stosowanie zjazdów na autostradzie jest zabronione.
And DTS in in the city, so I think it can be one entrance for 3 km
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Old January 13th, 2008, 12:45 PM   #450
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I think they have too many entrances/exists for them to be classified as highways.
Strange reason to classify wether a road is motorway-grade or not. In this case, all urban American freeways wouldn't be at motorway-grade. I don't think any other country uses this kind of definition.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 01:18 PM   #451
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It's weird. It should be expressway if not motorway...
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Old January 13th, 2008, 01:28 PM   #452
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Strange reason to classify wether a road is motorway-grade or not. In this case, all urban American freeways wouldn't be at motorway-grade. I don't think any other country uses this kind of definition.
We know, but polish law is very stupid.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #453
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Maybe not stupid. Just needs to be impoved
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Old January 13th, 2008, 02:35 PM   #454
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Strange reason to classify wether a road is motorway-grade or not. In this case, all urban American freeways wouldn't be at motorway-grade. I don't think any other country uses this kind of definition.
Here, in the Czech Rep., we have also some kind of standard that regulates the distance between two exits on motorways resp. expressways. And when there is a need to build two exits on a shorter distance, "collector" lanes should be used. In case of that you can have one exit after another

I think it's a "european" standard as well as the rule that the weaving sections on intersections (on cloverleafs and many others) should be built only on those collector lanes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 02:51 PM   #455
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In Amsterdam, the entrance lanes of exits immediatly go on in the exit lane of the next exit, though no parallel lanes are used. I don't think there is any standard in it, but in urban area's, it's always better to separate through traffic from local traffic.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 03:11 PM   #456
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Construction of A2 section (21 km), bypass of Mińsk Mazowiecki, will start probably at spring of 2009. It will be a paradox. Motorway constructed faster at east instead of form Łódź to Warsaw at west..
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Old January 13th, 2008, 03:55 PM   #457
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In Amsterdam, the entrance lanes of exits immediatly go on in the exit lane of the next exit, though no parallel lanes are used. I don't think there is any standard in it, but in urban area's, it's always better to separate through traffic from local traffic.
Yeah, it's slightly different on urban motorways. For instance, in Prague on City Ring (urban expressway) there are many exits on a short distance, but there is also a lack of hard shoulder and the speed is reduced to 80 resp. 100 km/h. On Outer Ring (R1) it would be different and collectors are built or at least planned very often. But it depends mainly on the type of junction.

I've seen many parallel lanes also in NL, I don't know if you have standard for that but I know we have to build it, naturally there could be exceptions.

Nevertheless, we're getting bit OT in Polish mwy thread
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Old January 13th, 2008, 04:05 PM   #458
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Back to Polish Network, I know how the current official plans look like. But are there any plans of A8 continuing from Wroclaw to CZ/PL border? Is there anything e.g. in land-use planning documents?

I guess there are three possilbilities where to continue:
1) connect it to S3 (Lubawka)
2) build a new southern link around Klodzko and then connect it to R43 in CZ
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3) old corridor along DK8 to Kudowa and D11 near Jaromer

Any guess?
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Old January 13th, 2008, 04:14 PM   #459
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There was some pland co extend A8 from Wrocław to Lubawka or Bolków eventually but maybe they will realise for about 30 years
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Old January 16th, 2008, 11:00 PM   #460
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A4 highway in Upper Silesia:













And A4 highway in Lower Silesia:





And A18 highway in Lower Silesia





A4 highway in 2001
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