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Old June 21st, 2010, 07:58 PM   #4741
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If everything works fine, May/June 2012 - just before football games.
And that's means its going to be a motorway at the Ukraine side of the border too?
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Old June 21st, 2010, 08:01 PM   #4742
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I think Ukraine would be a big disappointment, infrastructure-wise. Some major roads are still in ruins, not to mention that ambitious east-west motorway plan of 1.400 kilometers never took off.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 08:17 PM   #4743
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I think Ukraine would be a big disappointment, infrastructure-wise. Some major roads are still in ruins, not to mention that ambitious east-west motorway plan of 1.400 kilometers never took off.
Ukraine has a heavy economic statement after ˝orange˝ administration. Construction of stadium in Lvov (Lviv) for Euro-2012 may be not finished in time. State treasury is robbed.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:42 PM   #4744
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Get away from here with you political speech

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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:58 PM   #4745
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Exactly, go away with this politics, Maks33. Especially cause "blue" administration has made these roads looking like that in 1991-2004
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Old June 21st, 2010, 10:31 PM   #4746
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Get away from here with you political speech
Sorry, I don´t want to impose my politic wiews to anyone. I hate this. It´s a dirty thing. May be I´m wrong in something.

By topic.
I believe that minimal planes for motorways in Poland before Euro-2012 will be completed, because I see progress in construction on photos.

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Old June 21st, 2010, 11:44 PM   #4747
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Chris posted a reply about the 59 most congested cities(in EU) in the belgian thread. Here is a link.

http://euobserver.com/882/29927

The score for the polish cities:
2.Warszawa
3.Wroclaw
20.Poznan
21.Lodz
30.Krakow

Building ringroads/bypasses for the cities is relatively easy. No mountains and expensive tunnels, just cheap labour, EU funds and a fast planning process.

I saw that Stockholm was in the bottom in the list. Congestion is however a big issue there and is frequently discussed in the local press. Another bypass is planned for 3 billion euro to ease the congestion.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 02:28 PM   #4748
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This year it is best to avoid DK2 at least as far as Trzciel.

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Border-Trzciel or PNT-Trzciel?
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 02:36 PM   #4749
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At least Poland is trying hard to ease congestion in most of the cities named in the list of Europe's most congested cities . Many projects to help ease congestion are currently under construction or will be starting soon. For example we have:

Warszawa - north bridge (U/C), S79 (U/C), S2 (partly U/C),
S8 (western bypass) (U/C)
Łódż - A2 (northern bypass) (in operation), A1 (eastern bypass)
(soon to be U/C), S14 (western bypass),
S8 (southern bypass)
Poznań - A2 southern bypass (in operation), S11 (western bypass)
(U/C), S5 (eastern bypass) (U/C)
Kraków - A4 (western & southern bypass) (in operation), S7
(eastern bypass) (partly U/C), S7 (northern bypass) (U/C)
Wrocław - A8 (outer ring road) (U/C)
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 07:02 PM   #4750
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Wrocław - A8 (outer ring road) (U/C)
+ east bypass is under construction too
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 12:35 PM   #4751
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Border-Trzciel or PNT-Trzciel?
In the context of Des' question, I meant the stretch of DK2 between PL/D border and Trzciel.
Look for example here to get some idea of the kind of traffic and disruption that you will have to contend with. My personal first-hand experience also confirms this.

Of course, if you value your time and health you will want to avoid DK2 between Nowy Tomyśl and Poznań as well and use the super smooth A2 motorway that will take you to southern suburbs of Poznań in half the time with next to no stress.


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Old June 24th, 2010, 02:17 PM   #4752
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Does anyone know the opening date for the S7 from Bieżanów interchange
(with the A4) to Kraków-Christo Botewa? It is supposed to be ready by next month. It is only a tiny part of Kraków's future eastern ring road but still an important link to improve access to the A4 for the citizens of Nowa Huta and the suburbs of east Kraków.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #4753
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Does anyone know the opening date for the S7 from Bieżanów interchange
(with the A4) to Kraków-Christo Botewa? It is supposed to be ready by next month. It is only a tiny part of Kraków's future eastern ring road but still an important link to improve access to the A4 for the citizens of Nowa Huta and the suburbs of east Kraków.
I've checked in Polish thread about this section. Colleagues from Kraków believe that it could be September. Still there is work to be done and July seems to be unrealistic.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 02:24 PM   #4754
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Polish people are everywhere in Internet. Or at least I believe... (And also I believe that Polish=Catalan )
But they are lucky, they have flat terrain so cost of building of autostrady and drogi ekspresowe is not very expensive

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Budzisko signed 647 kilometers away??? Budzisko is a tiny town in the LT border! And besides that, S8 will end at Białystok, not Budzisko.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 02:51 PM   #4755
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But they are lucky, they have flat terrain so cost of building of autostrady and drogi ekspresowe is not very expensive
Unfortunately flat doesn't always mean cheap and easy. Construction prices of highways and expressways in Poland range from as low as 4mln euro/km to nearly 50 mln euro/km in case of Warsaw's western bypass...
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Old June 26th, 2010, 03:18 PM   #4756
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Old June 26th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #4757
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Budzisko signed 647 kilometers away??? Budzisko is a tiny town in the LT border! And besides that, S8 will end at Białystok, not Budzisko.
You've already answered for your question
Usually on polish signs with km range od DK, the last city is border one.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 06:11 PM   #4758
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You've already answered for your question
Usually on polish signs with km range od DK, the last city is border one.
It's a kind of Polish tradition. I'm used to it since I was born. I live 40 km from the border with Slovakia and when in the past there was a 'custom' of going shopping for cheap high class alcohol and sweets to our Slovak neighbours, all the members of my family used to say that we're going to Barwinek (tiny village with the border crossing), NOT to Slovakia. What's more, a few years ago it was clear for me, that Germany begins on Świecko crossing. On the other side of Poland, everyone knows that Belarus begins in Terespol (also at border crossing). I think that every Pole knows the names of these border villages. I do remember as well that these names are signed in our school's geography textbooks. It's normal. Not for many Europeans from the West, but at least for us...
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Old June 27th, 2010, 12:56 AM   #4759
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IMO one of the coolest bypass on DK roads in Poland.


Krośniewice bypass (DK1 and DK92), GP class.





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w wątku cisza a na budowie praca wre.
opisy według mapki z pierwszej strony
jade starą 2 od wawy widok w prawo Węzeł "Pomarzany"

za górką piachu WO8

za Krośniewicami widok w lewo. WD3

Węzeł "Bardzinek" widok na Gdańsk

j.w.

j.w.

obwodnica troche spóźniona, ale lepiej późno niż wcale.
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August 2009


Photos by cmaj1977 drom : http://korespondentdrogowy.pl/Obwodn...468_90816.html













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From south to north; 0:43 Temporary zebra crossing.

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Obwodnica w dzień w ciągu DK 1/92 jadąc z Łodzi w kierunku Gdańska.
1:14-1:22 Temporary signs... FAIL!!

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Old June 27th, 2010, 06:30 PM   #4760
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What's the latest on A2 Stryków - Konotopa? Is it already under construction at the full length? I saw some pics of a viaduct U/C on the Polish sub forum, but I don't know if that means A2 is entirely under construction now.

If they haven't started construction yet, I don't see how they can open this one before Euro 2012. There is less than 2 years remaining. Even half-profile seems tough.
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