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Old June 27th, 2010, 08:33 PM   #4761
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GDDiK'a tells that it will be "drivable" whatever it means So it is still possible to be "drivable".
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Old June 27th, 2010, 08:44 PM   #4762
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What's the latest on A2 Stryków - Konotopa? Is it already under construction at the full length? I saw some pics of a viaduct U/C on the Polish sub forum, but I don't know if that means A2 is entirely under construction now.

If they haven't started construction yet, I don't see how they can open this one before Euro 2012. There is less than 2 years remaining. Even half-profile seems tough.
They are due to start fall summer. The viaduct you saw is part of some bypass intersecting with A2, no other construction has started.
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Old June 27th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #4763
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Photo by Jacyk - wrong voivodeship sign on S3. Instead of "Lubuskie" they put "Lubelskie". Lubelskie is in the east of Poland while Lubuskie in the west

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Old June 27th, 2010, 10:23 PM   #4764
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What's the latest on A2 Stryków - Konotopa? Is it already under construction at the full length? I saw some pics of a viaduct U/C on the Polish sub forum, but I don't know if that means A2 is entirely under construction now.

If they haven't started construction yet, I don't see how they can open this one before Euro 2012. There is less than 2 years remaining. Even half-profile seems tough.
No. There are no construction permissions yet.

Pictures you've seen are from construction site of Żyrardów bypass (DK50), which runs through A2 corridor.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 02:49 AM   #4765
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Hi guys, next month i'll be travelling through Poland by car from west (Germany) to the eastern side of Poland in Chelm, near Lublin. Could you please advise me which is the best route to take considering all these construction roads being built and whether or not i can take advantage of any newer faster roads that have just opened, preferably the quickest and smoothest route would be the best. You can write the directions on here Thanks!
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Old June 28th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #4766
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Hi guys, next month i'll be travelling through Poland by car from west (Germany) to the eastern side of Poland in Chelm, near Lublin. Could you please advise me which is the best route to take considering all these construction roads being built and whether or not i can take advantage of any newer faster roads that have just opened, preferably the quickest and smoothest route would be the best. You can write the directions on here Thanks!
Where in Germany?
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Old June 28th, 2010, 12:57 PM   #4767
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Photo by Jacyk - wrong voivodeship sign on S3. Instead of "Lubuskie" they put "Lubelskie". Lubelskie is in the east of Poland while Lubuskie in the west
We can't see the pic because is also wrong?

They could sign (When finished) the Warsaw midday southern bypass as A2 instead of S2. I wouldn't see an A2 splitted in two by an S2...
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Old June 28th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #4768
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So when will the Zyrardów (DK50) and Ostrów Wlkp (S11) bypasses be fully completed?
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Old June 28th, 2010, 06:52 PM   #4769
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So when will the Zyrardów (DK50) and Ostrów Wlkp (S11) bypasses be fully completed?
For Żyrardów - September '11.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:23 PM   #4770
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Probably from Berlin.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 09:48 PM   #4771
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Probably from Berlin.
My suggestion: first by (DK2) to Poznań (A2) to Stryków, then by Tomaszów Mazowiecki and Radom (DK 12) to Lublin. In my opinion the fastest way. I did it by myself 2 years ago.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #4772
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Hmmm ok thanks
cos we used to go that way up to Strykow, then straight to warsaw through the s17 to lublin but it always took 1-2 hours through Warsaw. Any major new roads are opened towards warsaw from the east? And is the s17 from warsaw to lublin being re-built?
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Old June 29th, 2010, 12:17 AM   #4773
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SIMSI's suggestion is the best possible.

Do not get near Warsaw for next two years if you can. There's a lot of road works under way near/in the city at the moment so traffic jams are mind boggling. A P&R is u/c near one of the entry roads from the west and the main crossroad is being rebuild/improved on the other one so both have reduced capacity. Everything should be fixed by 2012 and a third entrance is u/c but now it's better to find some other way - DK 12 in your case.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 06:02 AM   #4774
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Entering Warsaw will not be wise even after 2012. Or even after they finish S2 - I think it will be jammed sometimes too.

There is a road for bypassing Warsaw - DK50. It's being rebuilt do 1x2 GP standard - with quite some interchanges, although some intersections are left as roundabouts. It's packed with trucks, but I still think it's better to go steady 80 km/h on some truck's tail, than to be stopped with Warsaw's jams...

Latest photos from the Mszczonów bypass on DK50:

Example of short 2x1 stretch at the interchange:
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Widok z węzła Tarczyńska.
W kierunku Grójca



Regular 1x2:
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Widok z wiaduktu w kierunku DK 8



Widok na wiadukt



Są już nawet znaki poziome

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I kończymy relację jak zwykle przy rondzie

But to go to Lublin - DK12 is the best anyway.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #4775
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Hey E2rdEm

Those pictures you posted from mareqm got me thinking. There's quite a few maps here on these Polish forum sections regarding construction, environmental reviews, tender agreements and completion for A and S routes....but is there a map showing non-motorway/expressway DK national road construction or reconstructions out there? Although they're not motorways or expressways per say, they're still pretty vital to Poland's infrastructure.

Just wondering if something is out there...
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Old June 29th, 2010, 01:38 PM   #4776
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Probably from Berlin.
The I would suggest Cottbus, Wrocław, then DK8+DK12 straight eastwards.
Google maps:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...753418&t=h&z=6

I don't know DK8, but DK2 is disrupted by the Autobahn construction, so forget it. Plus the traffic is so high that you simply could not imagine. Rows of truck that prohibit taking over for kilometers. I managed to take over once on the ca 100km section.


Another trick is this: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...469177&t=h&z=9

You would take Karl Marx Alee, then B1, then DK22, DK24, then you would join the DK2 when most of the traffic is already gone onto the highway. Disadvantage:you have to drive through a city. The DK22 and DK24 are pretty usually empty, though, and so is B1 up to Berliner Ring.

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Old June 29th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #4777
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but is there a map showing non-motorway/expressway DK national road construction or reconstructions out there?
Sure there is, you can always count on polish forumers:

current version here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...7#post58846487

Always get the latest version by clicking at @IgorSel's signature.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 12:21 AM   #4778
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Thanks wojtop, E2rdEm and LMB for your suggestions and your advice! maybe in 5 years time i can cut my journey time from swiecko to chelm by half with all these brand new motorways being built! Poland is very much changing for the better as to what i saw it was 10 years ago. Is the wage problem still the same though? Everything else is going up in price except the minimum wage, i know this is slightly off topic, just wondered if its going to change!
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Old June 30th, 2010, 01:07 AM   #4779
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E2rdEm, Warsaw is Europes second most congested city after Brussel. And polish car ownership is going up also.

Heavy congestion will still be there dispite the efforts(ringroad etc) that takes place right now.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 01:28 AM   #4780
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Thanks E2rdEm. That's a fantastic map!

By the way, after browsing the Polish forums, I have to say that work on the new portions of S3 are looking great.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...96160&page=318
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