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Old December 10th, 2010, 09:11 PM   #5521
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Are we still on track to see the S8 (Konotopa-PT), A8
(stage 1 of Wrocław bypass) and A1 (Bełk-Świerklany) all open for use on the
15th Dec 2010 or have their openings been postponed until 22nd Dec 2010 or moved back to an even later date?
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Old December 10th, 2010, 10:37 PM   #5522
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Actually I don't know. I will be following threads
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Old December 11th, 2010, 02:39 PM   #5523
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good day,


since the EU budget beyond 2013 is not reconciled, what do you think about Warsaw part of S7 ?

now it is at "DSU" stage. do you think the project will be delayed ?

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it was not my initial intension to go to international forum to ask it, firstly I went to Polish forum, but my post was deleted without any notice. looks like a moderator of Polish forum is not able to say/explain anything. I hope he will never reach the point to be a representative of Poland anywhere, 'cause I am a Pole and I get used to that, but foreigners will not.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #5524
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since the EU budget beyond 2013 is not reconciled, what do you think about Warsaw part of S7 ?
I don't expect it to be a top priority for the EU.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 07:01 PM   #5525
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definately it is not on the priority list.

let me rephase the question:

does it (no reconciled EU budget beyond 2013) mean we stop all "DSU" projects ?

I do hope (although it does not mean I do not believe) toonczyk is somehow wrong with his information ...
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Old December 11th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #5526
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The EU will approve a regional development budget for 2013-2018. Some of the money in that budget will be for building roads in Poland. The Polish government will almost certainly then approve the rest of the funds needed to build whichever roads are partially funded by the EU.

I hope that answers your question. If not, please ask again.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 08:57 PM   #5527
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thanks for your reply.

let me go back to my first question.

I was worried that the construction of S7 in Warsaw would be delayed, because the EU budget is not ready.

do you agree with that ?
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Old December 11th, 2010, 09:08 PM   #5528
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I was worried that the construction of S7 in Warsaw would be delayed, because the EU budget is not ready.

do you agree with that ?
Yes and no. I agree that the S7 will probably be delayed, but not because of the EU budget (which is not late). I would blame it on the general financial crisis.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 10:54 PM   #5529
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any updates on the DK8 Wroclaw direction Wien?
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Old December 11th, 2010, 10:56 PM   #5530
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I'm in favor of the Strecke 88 revival:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strecke_88

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Old December 11th, 2010, 11:09 PM   #5531
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From the czech point of view it is not really the most important motorway...

If somoene else wants to pay it, I am for it too
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Old December 11th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #5532
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I'm in favor of the Strecke 88 revival:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strecke_88

According to a study from 2009, it's one of the options. Lower Silesian Voivodeship wants to extend S5 to Międzylesie (or Kudowa but it doesn't make much sense really). In far future obviously.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 12:54 AM   #5533
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According to a study from 2009, it's one of the options. Lower Silesian Voivodeship wants to extend S5 to Międzylesie (or Kudowa but it doesn't make much sense really). In far future obviously.


or S8 to Czech border.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 12:58 AM   #5534
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I would too much rather see the R35 and D11 completed on the czech side. It doesnt really matter if the D11 connects on the polish network around Trutnov or Nachod. I think in the long term it is both possible from both Polish and Czech side. Currently the planned route goest around Nachod if I am not mistaken.

R43 doesnt really have any priority and even reason, certainly not before R35 is constructed and runnig.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 01:36 AM   #5535
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I agree, Czech R35 is much more urgent than R43, however in terms of European integration, the revival of Strecke 88 is a very good project that could be financed by the European Union.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 02:31 AM   #5536
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I am not against that. Whoever may send there euros. Germans, Dutch, French... as long as it is build . No, seriously, I think that the EU financing of the motorways in CZ is bit unclear to me. The main transit or seem to be connecting border sections are low priority finance from EU and others... Don't know if it is the RSD, ministry, or generally EU problem.

When you click on this , you get google translated page of RSD which explains the EU funds in czech road construction. Pay attention to the map picture (click on it and get this pdf). The red marked sections are co-financed by the EU. This hold for framework 2008-2013. They mention there 5.7 bln Euro over these five years, but I dont think that went into the roads. There might be also railway in it. But this is cooking from water. When I went to the tables of the project supports on constructions was totalled around 3 bln Euros.

Indeed when I look at the map I wonder what do they do wrong at the ministry. Is it really so hard to go to the EU commision with simple idea of finishing D3 towards Austria and D11 towards Poland and R49 towards Slovakia????

The lenght of these three sections should not be higher than cca 270 km. If we take more than generous price of 20 ml Euro per km on average it would totall 5.4 bln Euro for the whole of 270 km. Lets round it to 6 bln. WHAT DO I MISS HERE???

I mean, why are not these 270 km planned for construction with help of EU financing for the next framework 2014-2019. Their reasoning would be so simple especially with the EU. If the financing was at least 60 % from EU, the 2.4 bln Euro would be easy to get for the co financing from the czech budget on these projects (over five years). There would be even enough left for finishing the Prague's ring.... and some other projects...

No I will never understand this money black hole and incompentence that rules the political world.


PS: some MOD could move our discussion to the czech or whatever section if the polish thread is too narrow for this. Thank you.

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Old December 12th, 2010, 04:03 AM   #5537
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or S8 to Czech border.
Actually S8 can be extended up to Jelenia Góra only. Motorway / expressway proposals to Jakuszyce were dropped since A3/S3 is planned to Lubawka.

But don't get too excited. These are only internal proposals of voivodeship. GDDKiA will look at it maybe after 2020. S8 extention from Wrocław to Bolków stands a much better chance.

Even if these expressways will not be extened, it's still a good idea to change some numbering in Lower Silesia.
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Old December 14th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #5538
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Old December 15th, 2010, 08:10 AM   #5539
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About cars:

+ nice film but in Polish.
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Old December 15th, 2010, 05:54 PM   #5540
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A1 Bełk-Rowień is opened to traffic:
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No i wszystko jasne - autostrada już otwarta do węzła Rowień (godz. 15:30)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV1pZyWy2qg

Przepraszam za jakość - nagranie spontaniczne
And track in Bing:
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