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Old December 25th, 2010, 03:02 PM   #5581
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No Christmas highway openings this year?
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Old December 25th, 2010, 06:00 PM   #5582
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no but S3 Myślibórz - Gorzów Wkp will be open in 30.12
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Old December 25th, 2010, 10:35 PM   #5583
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no but S3 Myślibórz - Gorzów Wkp will be open in 30.12
How many kilometers?
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Old December 25th, 2010, 10:42 PM   #5584
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How many kilometers?
According to this post 26,7 km
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Old December 25th, 2010, 11:15 PM   #5585
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No Christmas highway openings this year?
no but S3 Myślibórz - Gorzów Wkp will be open in 30.12
Maybe they will cope with bureaucracy at S8 in Warsaw. Hope they will.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 02:18 PM   #5586
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http://gorzow.gazeta.pl/gorzow/1,352...j_Gorzowa.html
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Old December 26th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #5587
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So no news yet of opening date for S8 in Warsaw yet? - 30.12 perhaps?
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Old December 27th, 2010, 02:42 PM   #5588
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So totally we have 1353 highway under construction, real succes, especially compared to Spain which has approximately the same number under construction and over 14000km existing motorway.
For us is success, because we have aproximately 1300 km. of existing motorways and expressways(2x2). Moreover It will have been suposed to be 2800-3000 km. such theese roads by the end of 2013
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You come from the poorest area of EU25 (that is, before Romania and Bulgaria joined), and you are really NOT in the position to complain.

Beggars can't be choosers.
Now we are not the poorest. We are richer than Baltic states and comparable to Hungary
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Old December 28th, 2010, 02:28 AM   #5589
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For us is success, because we have aproximately 1300 km. of existing motorways and expressways(2x2). Moreover It will have been suposed to be 2800-3000 km. such theese roads by the end of 2013
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Now we are not the poorest. We are richer than Baltic states and comparable to Hungary


However GDP/ GNP is not that exactly about how rich we are, but rather how much we produced in one year.This case the last one.

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So totally we have 1353 highway under construction, real succes, especially compared to Spain which has approximately the same number under construction and over 14000km existing motorway.
Anyway apart from the fact of potential difference between Spain and Poland I think you make a mistake comparing what we are planning in Poland today(result will -or maybe wont come in 3 -4 years) to what Spain just finished.Let's see what spanish will open in 3-4 years from today. I bet it will be limited as much as in any other country in Europe.

Other question is why Spain opens many times more motorways than we do today.. Spain is a member of EU since 1986. I think it serves for an answer well.

The really bed point is that we are choosing not always the right roads to be finished now(S7 in risk of big delay).But I would't dare to start any storm here among people from different regions of Poland

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Old December 28th, 2010, 10:54 AM   #5590
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How many kilometer was opened in Spain during last 3 year - this Chris probably knows.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 10:59 AM   #5591
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Not much compared to 2000 - 2007. Maybe 500 - 1000 kms.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 12:26 PM   #5592
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Not much compared to 2000 - 2007. Maybe 500 - 1000 kms.
Until 1 May 2004, Spain was among the poorer of the 15 EU member states. Following 1 May 2004, Spain was among the richer of the 25 (later 27) EU member states. That's why Spain used to receive a bigger share of EU regional development funds and now receives a smaller share. Similarly, from 1 May 2004 to 1 January 2007 (accession of Bulgaria and Romania), Poland was among the poorer EU member states but is now nearer the middle, so Poland will probably get less EU regional development funding in the future than in the past.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 07:04 PM   #5593
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Now we are not the poorest. We are richer than Baltic states and comparable to Hungary
According to the data for 2010 which you can find here we are richer than Bulgaria, Romania, Latvia, Lithuamia, Estonia and Hungary itself
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Old December 28th, 2010, 09:55 PM   #5594
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According to the data for 2010 which you can find here we are richer than Bulgaria, Romania, Latvia, Lithuamia, Estonia and Hungary itself
this is not true. we are on the same level with the countries you mentioned.

let us take an example:

what is the difference if you have got 1020 PLN and I have got 1060 PLN ? can you spot/feel the difference ? does it make me richer than you ? well according to mathematics it is true, but reality writes different story ...


if you want to say the average Pole is richer (noticeably) than ... then try some African nation (guys from Africa - no offence).
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Old December 28th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #5595
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You have some problems? Statistically we are richer than those countries and yes, it is true. Even if you are richer than somebody else because you earn 1 zł more you can say and it will be true that you are richer than this person. Not to mention that what I have posted are the amounts for GDP per person, not the average salary. And we are not at the same level as Romania or Bulgaria or as far as I know Latvia. Travel more maybe?
And you must have some problems or you really do not appreciate Poland at all. If you like it or not, Poland is one of the richest countries in the World, one of the 42 countries listed as "developed countries" what you can see here and to see poorer country you don't have to travel to Africa, it'll be enough if you travel to Ukraine.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 10:29 PM   #5596
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please guys, this discussion is a bit embarrassing. nobody from outside cares.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #5597
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You have some problems? Statistically we are richer than those countries and yes, it is true. Even if you are richer than somebody else because you earn 1 zł more you can say and it will be true that you are richer than this person. Not to mention that what I have posted are the amounts for GDP per person, not the average salary. And we are not at the same level as Romania or Bulgaria or as far as I know Latvia. Travel more maybe?
And you must have some problems or you really do not appreciate Poland at all. If you like it or not, Poland is one of the richest countries in the World, one of the 42 countries listed as "developed countries" what you can see here and to see poorer country you don't have to travel to Africa, it'll be enough if you travel to Ukraine.

just relax,

it was not my intention to get you expressed in that way.


as regards travel:
I spent 2 years in Bulgaria/Estonia/Ukraine and 6 years outside Europe.
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The important thing is not how Poland ranks relative to other countries. The important thing is the rate of improvement.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 10:42 AM   #5599
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No comments about the long-awaited increase of top speed on Poland's motorways? Wyborcza (once a leading "newspaper of opinion", wouldn't call it that anymore) has already published an article about how "tragic" this is going to be.

OMG, what is awaiting us?
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OMG, what is awaiting us?
Hm... maybe this :


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