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Old January 6th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #5641
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Oh, threre is. It's just not used since 1974
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales
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Old January 6th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #5642
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Last edited by jtybinka; Today at 02:31 PM. Reason: billion

see the note above

I wrote billion but then I changed it for miliard,
Miliard is wrong but we all forumers are sure what money we are talking about, with billion is not so clear
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Old January 6th, 2011, 06:45 PM   #5643
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The term "milliard" is used in just about any language except English. I never understood why they say "billion" when all Romanic, Germanic, Slavic and many other languages talk about "milliard" or a local variant.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 07:23 PM   #5644
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It's those Americans, and their influence has corrupted the whole Anglosphere with billion.

That said, while most older Brits know that billion used to mean a million million, I've never heard one say "we used to say millard" - in fact I haven't come across the term at all in English - perhaps if I read some 50+ year old broadsheet newspapers I might find it.

As far as I can see, it was rare to use it and a bit confusing to have 1-ion, 1-ard, 2-ion, 2-ard as you make things 1000 times bigger (and then a trillion being a million billion - the million, billion, trillion with the form of 10^(6*x) with the x becoming the prefix to use). So once American English got heard a lot here, we copied them, leaping at the chance to use the short scale, rather than deal with two suffixes.

There you go Chris - millard was rarely used in Britain anyway, the Americans had ditched it for the short scale, which was found to be simpler and then Britain found that billion and the short scale usage in the ex-colonies was a good idea, so ditched the tradition and went with the short scale. English being a fluid language with conventions, not rules, completely allows that to happen, almost to the point of endorsing new meanings for words as time moves on.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 08:52 AM   #5645
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Old January 11th, 2011, 10:24 AM   #5646
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So empty...

I don't understand why those roads are not "autostrada". I know technically but it's nonsense.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 10:28 AM   #5647
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Old January 11th, 2011, 12:35 PM   #5648
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Is this thread dying? Is anybody there!?
there is nothing we can talk about.
we can easily put it off until we find some money for road infrastructure. 2013 ?
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Old January 11th, 2011, 12:47 PM   #5649
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I don't understand why those roads are not "autostrada". I know technically but it's nonsense.
I don't understand why some european countries invented a classification between a national road and a motorway. This is quite illogic especially in small countries like Slovenia, that has roads A1 to A4 and H1 to H4: why? A1 to A8 would have been less confusing in my opinion.

The same happens in Austria, where the same road change number: A14+S16+A12, or S6+S36+S37.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 05:23 PM   #5650
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Does anybody know why the S8 in Warsaw hasn't opened yet?
From the pics on its website it looks completely finished with signs at the interchanges and everything When will it open? (if ever!) There are rumours that there are problems with settling agreements with buying the land or something through which the S8 passes
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Old January 13th, 2011, 05:33 PM   #5651
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It will definitely be ready for traffic in January, but no sooner than 18th. There are some formal problems as well as quality deficiencies. This road has cost us over 50 million euros per kilometer, yet we now find out it wasn't even built properly. Here are some photos if you fancy:
http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/index.php/a...s8-w-warszawie

Oh, and a fun fact: many drivers already use it illegaly, since there are no hard barriers on entrances
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Old January 13th, 2011, 07:25 PM   #5652
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This road has cost us over 50 million euros per kilometer,
with random gold pieces in asphalt ?
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Old January 13th, 2011, 09:16 PM   #5653
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Does anybody know why the S8 in Warsaw hasn't opened yet?
Mainly due to quality issues - see the pictures in Toonczyk's link.
I am really surprised that the contractors (and site supervision?) thought they could get away with such shoddy workmanship.
It's not like any of it is subtle!

The road will be open in approximately 2-3 weeks, weather and bureaucracy permitting.


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... Oh, and a fun fact: many drivers already use it illegaly ...
It'll take another generation or two for some things to change.



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Old January 14th, 2011, 12:33 AM   #5654
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with random gold pieces in asphalt ?


Asphalt in this road is very bed... very low quality. Another scandal and now nobody know when this road will open


photos...

http://biznes.onet.pl/fuszerka-na-tr...a#photo8484307


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Old January 14th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #5655
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So why exactly was the S8 section in Warsaw so expensive then?
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Old January 14th, 2011, 04:09 PM   #5656
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There is a possibility of price fixing, an investigation is underway. But the cost per km had to be high due to urban environment and high concentration of structures like bridges, retaining walls etc. Usually on a 10km stretch of motorway (or expressway) you would probably get around 10 bridges, here we have over 20, plus quite a few stretches below the surface etc. Not to mention collisions with existing infrastructure... I think it would be possible to build it cheaper by at most 20%.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #5657
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So why exactly was the S8 section in Warsaw so expensive then?
At least two reasons:

1) main contractors start together in tender
2) due to highly urbanize location
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Old January 14th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #5658
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A6 near Szczecin. For me the first picture I see with 140 km/h after the speed limits have been change:

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Old January 15th, 2011, 10:22 AM   #5659
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A6 near Szczecin. For me the first picture I see with 140 km/h after the speed limits have been change:
Is Poland the only country in Europe right now that has speed limits higher than 130 km/h?
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Old January 15th, 2011, 11:12 AM   #5660
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Is Poland the only country in Europe right now that has speed limits higher than 130 km/h?
Only in Germany you can drive with more than 130 km/h on autobahns, besides Poland where the limit is 140 km/h from now on.

There might be an autostrada section in Italy where they raised the speed limit to 160 km/h but I don't remember if there were only talks about that or they really did it.
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