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Old January 17th, 2011, 11:55 AM   #5681
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No way, it will be ready by the end of 2013.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 01:08 AM   #5682
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There are unmarked police cars designated especially for patrolling motorways in Poland.
...in cars of the YETI brand? (Yeti: much spoken about, never seen )

Seriously, has any of you ever witnessed anybody being pulled over?

(for the record, it doesn't mean that highways in Poland are dangerous)
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Old January 18th, 2011, 02:44 AM   #5683
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I've seen one (police Megane on A2), there are lots of them.

Some incredible shots of S8 in Warsaw by Kuras77. The road will most likely be opened tomorrow (Tuesday) evening.
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Ciąg dalszy mojej dzisiejszej eskapady rowerowej po S8

Wiadukt w ciągu ul.Lazurowej (widok w stronę Konotopy):




Kładka a w oddali wiadukt w ciągu ul.Powstańców Śląskich (widok w stronę Konotopy):




Wiadukt w ciągu ul.Dywizjonu 303:



I widziany z drugiej strony (widok w stronę Konotopy):



I z dalszej perspektywy:




Wiadukt w ciągu ul.Księcia Janusza:




I jeszcze fota w drugą stronę - to niebo mnie hipnotyzuje...




Wiadukt z bliska:




I ponownie ten sam wiadukt widziany od strony węzła Prymasa Tysiąclecia:




W stronę owego węzła:




I węzeł Prymasa Tysiąclecia w pełnej krasie:



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Old January 18th, 2011, 02:48 AM   #5684
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... Polish motorways have practically no speed limit as well, because as far as I have seen, there are no speed control cameras, nor police ... Seriously, has any of you ever witnessed anybody being pulled over?
You are making extraordinary sweeping statements, which are not borne out by reality. You should visit more often or alternatively spend 2 sec on YouTube, if you don’t fancy driving 800 km for an update.

I’ve had the dubious pleasure of being pulled over on the A4, not for speeding but for a different … misconduct (a stupid knee-jerk reaction to a provocation). The police were very polite and listened intently to what I had to say for myself. They did not fine me but simply advised me on what I should have done and let me go. That particular patrol was an unmarked and jazzed up Opel Vectra, if I recall correctly.


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I must admit I am in two minds about the new 140 km/h speed limit and, frankly, I’d rather our law makers would instead concentrate on simplifying the plethora of our speed limits.

The new 140 km/h speed limit, on the one hand, reflects common practice and recognises the fact that many (perhaps most) drivers on our motorways drive at ~140±15 km/h. On the other hand, drivers tend to drive at something like +10 km/h whatever the limit, which could mean that we will see more and more people driving at or near ~160 km/h. At this speed you must have enough common sense to know and understand your own and your car’s limits.

A curious aspect of the new speed limit is that 140 km/h is legal while 150 is illegal but does not incur a fine, which is quite liberal, some might say irresponsible. So, in theory, if you don’t mind getting a minor reprimand from the police when you exceed 140 km/h, you get away scot-free driving at up to 150 km/h.

Poland is effectively testing the water and taking a bit of a risk with this new bold law and I expect other EU countries will play a wait-and-see game before following suit. In a sense, Poland is a good fitness-for-use test case for Europe given our emerging road infrastructure, relative driver inexperience and knowing how tempestuous our home-grown driving habits can be. If road fatalities or serious injuries go up, I expect this will discourage other countries from increasing their own max speed limit beyond 130 km/h.


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Old January 18th, 2011, 03:05 AM   #5685
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...in cars of the YETI brand? (Yeti: much spoken about, never seen )

Seriously, has any of you ever witnessed anybody being pulled over?

(for the record, it doesn't mean that highways in Poland are dangerous)
Actually there are now tons of unmarked police cars cruising around in Poland, with numbers rising every year. While 4 or 5 years ago I would have scoffed at the notion of getting pulled over in Poland by an unmarked police vehicle, now that is not the case.

The Polish police seem to love their unmarked cruisers and they do really strike fear in the hearts of Polish motorists- because there is no single make or model that dominates the unmarked police vehicle pool in Poland. So while in USA you can be on the lookout for Crown Vics or Chevy Impalas, in Poland you never know if you are being trailed by police. They could be driving anything a VW Passat, Opel Vectra, Kia Cee’d, Renault Megane or an Alfa Romeo 159 etc. The list goes on.

So your chances of getting pulled over by an unmarked police car in Poland are just as good as in Germany or the Netherlands. Trust me- during a short trip recently I was pulled over 3 times and I don’t even live in PL!
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Old January 18th, 2011, 03:06 AM   #5686
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If road fatalities or serious injuries go up, I expect this will discourage other countries from increasing their own max speed limit beyond 130 km/h.
I don't think many countries will follow us with raising the speed limits, given the current political climate (in relation to climatology-sort-of-climate).

And speaking of road fatalities, it's not going to be easy to beat last year's stats. Polish police published a report about road safety in 2010, we've had:
38 776 accidents,
48 872 injured victims,
3 902 dead victims.

This is still a lot, but compare this with 5 years ago (2006):
46 876 accidents,
59 123 injured victims,
5 243 dead victims.

And 20 years ago in record breaking 1991 7901 people died in road accidents, more than twice as much as last year!
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Old January 18th, 2011, 09:23 AM   #5687
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Actually many countries have or will increase speed limits;

Denmark: 110 -> 130
Sweden: 110 -> 120
Poland: 130 -> 140 / 110 -> 120
Slovenia: 100 -> 110 (expwy)
Netherlands: 120 -> 130

I believe Spain and Portugal increased limits a little while longer ago on their expressways (which are now considered motorways). Italy's highway code also allows 150 km/h, but this hasn't been implemented. There are also calls for increase in speed limits in Slovakia, Czech Rep. and Switzerland.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 08:05 PM   #5688
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The new 140 km/h speed limit, on the one hand, reflects common practice and recognises the fact that many (perhaps most) drivers on our motorways drive at ~140±15 km/h. On the other hand, drivers tend to drive at something like +10 km/h whatever the limit, which could mean that we will see more and more people driving at or near ~160 km/h. At this speed you must have enough common sense to know and understand your own and your car’s limits.
I'm not exactly familiar with the driving habits of Polish drivers but I don't really think the majority of people will start to drive faster than 140 km/h. Common sense tells me that you actually might start seeing more people who drive under the speed limit. First, the faster you go the more attention driving requires so people might find a speed less than 140km/h more comfortable. Wind noise may also become quite annoying at higher speeds, especially when driving a cheaper-end car. Secondly, increased speed means increased fuel comsumption which is quite an important factor when driving long distances. But I might be wrong. Maybe the need for speed is greater than the factors I mentioned
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Old January 18th, 2011, 11:46 PM   #5689
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What does cheaper-end mean?
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Old January 18th, 2011, 11:48 PM   #5690
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A car that is priced on the cheaper end of the price spectrum, i.e. the opposite of a top-end car.

This was most noticeable in the 1990's where a Renault Twingo or Daihatsu Cuore were barely comfortable on motorway speeds.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #5691
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the faster you go the more attention driving requires so people might find a speed less than 140km/h more comfortable.
I feel more comfortable on long distances driving faster
1.It`s less boring, when driving 110km/h you really feel asleep quickly
2.You`re less tired because the time of your journey is shorter

I use motorway 4 days/week to get to school and I must admit that on short distances like this I drive approx. 30 km/h slower than when I drive for a long distance

Apart from that, your arguments seem reasonably, IMO polish drivers don`t drive very fast on motorways, most of them will respect 140 (not due to the law of course ;D);
the problem is that we drive too fast on normal roads
(if I don`t have a motorway near to my town, where can I feel the "need for speed"...)
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Old January 19th, 2011, 02:25 PM   #5692
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Has S8 already opened?
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Old January 19th, 2011, 02:37 PM   #5693
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Which part do you mean? Warsaw or Wroclaw part? :-)
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Has S8 already opened?
I take it you mean S8 in Warsaw, in which case the answer is no, not yet, in as far as I know, but the road should open later on today.
Many Varsovians will be out in force taking pictures and making videos so we'll get first-hand reports tonight or tomorrow.


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Old January 19th, 2011, 04:28 PM   #5695
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Yes, it has. One of the first lucky to drive:
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The GDDKIA press release about the new S8 section isn't shy about mentioning contractor mistakes repeatedly:

http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/index.php/a...kowska-otwarta
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The route is safe, despite numerous shortcomings on the side of the contractor, and could be released into circulation.
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Route S8 was given to drivers due to the communication needs of the capital, but the contractor will have to remove all the failures which occurred during his fault.
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Aggravating the problem of fault the contractor route S8 shows that developed and implemented by GDDKiA quality control system on national roads investment is effective and working. We remind you that the weaknesses which were revealed by GDDKiA in recent days were the result of work carried out on the construction route S8 in recent weeks. Were thus captured immediately after they appeared.
What were the "shortcomings" that the contractor must fix?
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Old January 19th, 2011, 11:53 PM   #5697
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I believe Spain and Portugal increased limits a little while longer ago on their expressways (which are now considered motorways). Italy's highway code also allows 150 km/h, but this hasn't been implemented. There are also calls for increase in speed limits in Slovakia, Czech Rep. and Switzerland.
Spain might have, but I don't think that any express way in Portugal can have a speed limit of over 100km/h, even if it's 3x3 in a rural area. However, some former expressways have been elevated to motorway status, to allow a 120km/h speed limit, although the new section of the IP2 is 2x2, rural, to motorway standards and is an expressway.

Hopefully the rest of Europe will also raise speed limits, especially UK motorways and dual carriage ways (112km/h only!)
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Old January 20th, 2011, 01:37 PM   #5698
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Old January 20th, 2011, 04:12 PM   #5699
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S8 Warszawa:

New S8 is quite nice but i hate design of those acoustic barries.

If they were all in dark green (without that bright yellow) it will be muc better and calmly. Now it is a chinese market...

I hope someone will plant some kiond of a climber.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 06:07 PM   #5700
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I don't like those horrible green and yellow acoustic barriers on Warsaw's S8 either. When will proper construction start on Warsaw's eastern bypass - the S17? It would be good construction started this year (ie at the same time as the S2 from Konotopa to Warsaw's airport).

Soon Wrocław's A8 from the A4 interchange to its airport will open
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