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Old January 23rd, 2011, 11:40 PM   #5721
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Lower speed limits on non-urban roads for trucks don't work, it only induces extra conflict and is rarely enforced nor taken serious by drivers.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 09:20 AM   #5722
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Lower speed limits on non-urban roads for trucks don't work, it only induces extra conflict and is rarely enforced nor taken serious by drivers.
Sadly, psychology of driving is not seriously taken in Poland. People who design limitations are physicists, not psychologist.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 10:59 AM   #5723
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Lower speed limits on non-urban roads for trucks don't work, it only induces extra conflict and is rarely enforced nor taken serious by drivers.
I drove through Poland (from Germany to Lithuania) between 10pm and 4-5am and even on the small roads through village centres, the trucks would just maintain 90kph anywhere, even though the speed limit was 50 or less in those village centres..
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Old January 24th, 2011, 02:14 PM   #5724
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Sadly, psychology of driving is not seriously taken in Poland. People who design limitations are physicists, not psychologist.
Lower speed limit on out of urban roads for trucks is not only Polish phenomenon. It's quite common in many other countries.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 11:27 PM   #5725
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No, the only thing that it proves is that in Poland you don't give a shit about any regulations.

Besides, several tonnes of steel moving at 90 km/h on regular roads is not what I call safe.
Unless the roads are very narrow and bendy(and I know that most larger 2x1 intercity roads are pretty wide in Poland), I don't see the problem for trucks to drive 90 km/h on rural roads. But as LMB said, it mostly comes down to what traffic engineers think and as I've understood in this forum it varies greatly by country.
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Old January 25th, 2011, 02:28 PM   #5726
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Are there any new motorways or expressways due to begin construction this coming year?
And what are the motorways and expressways due to be complete and open this year?
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Old January 25th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #5727
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Due to be complete this year (according to Hetman):
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Old January 25th, 2011, 10:17 PM   #5728
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AADT - 2010:
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The file isn't big (only 500 kB)

We have first expressway with AADT above 100 thousands - S86 (probably at its full length)
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Old January 25th, 2011, 11:03 PM   #5729
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Nice!

Is this PDF also available on an official highway authority website? (as in: a credible source to link to)
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Old January 25th, 2011, 11:05 PM   #5730
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It's not official.
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Old January 25th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #5731
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Leaked is the most appropriate word.
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Old January 25th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #5732
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Leaked is the most appropriate word.
That's why you have Wikileaks; traffic counts, not those stupid uninteresting diplomatic cables
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Old January 26th, 2011, 09:58 AM   #5733
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That's why you have Wikileaks; traffic counts, not those stupid uninteresting diplomatic cables
Yeah.

BTW, this data is not final version, only from first 8 days of survey. In reality it was longer. Some numbers might slightly change.

It's a pity the don't count highways (DK) running through cities. Because of that S86 seems to be number one. I wonder whether Most Grota-Roweckiego (DK8 bridge in Warsaw) is comparable.

For Warsaw we have numbers only for cordon.
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Old January 26th, 2011, 11:53 AM   #5734
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S8 Warszawa (Warsaw):

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Old January 26th, 2011, 09:52 PM   #5735
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Due to be complete this year (according to Hetman):
Some people might not get the message clearly so:


Termin zakonczenia- completion date
Zrewidowany termin oddania- revised(new) lead time
AOW autostradowa obwodnica Wrocławia- Wroclaw ring (part of a8)
A8 most na odrze- bridge over Odra(Oder) river
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Old January 26th, 2011, 10:02 PM   #5736
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Just about anything that can be wrong about this sign is wrong. First of all, the size and layout is completely insufficient for 3 lanes. You hardly notice this sign between the giant noise barriers, especially because the same colors are used.

Second, why on earth is this road signed as S2? From this point on there will be several kilometers of S8 before you reach the (future) interchange with S2, but why sign Poznan and S2 together? It makes no sense, if you really must sign another number than the actual road number, at least use A2, because that's the road going to Poznan, not S2 which actually veers back east and is in my opinion a completely unnecessary road number to sign at this location. I wouldn't sign it sooner than interchange Konotopa.
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Old January 26th, 2011, 10:42 PM   #5737
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Is there a source for the interchange names somewhere? Google Maps does not provide them.

And correct me if I'm wrong -- to get from Warsaw to Sochaczew, I would prefer the S2 anyway, rather than taking the 580...
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Old January 27th, 2011, 01:29 AM   #5738
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S8 Warszawa (Warsaw):
Notice all cars driving on the middle lane. Driving on a dual carriageway, lanes are being used correctly. Now, we add an extra lane each direction and while being the only road user the extreme right lane is not being used. This is not what Polish Road Regulations says! There are more 3 lanes each direction profile roads about to be opened soon. I haven´t heard anything that can make people aware of how to drive accordingly. There should be some kind of campaign in media which will make people aware of that fact. If not that then special signage on such roach should be introduced. But what kind of signage there is everyone can see make up their own assumption. To me, and many of you guys will agree, a country to copy is Germany, it´s Autobahns (some looking similiar to race tracks) and the right road order. I love that order. What are your opinions on that?
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Old January 27th, 2011, 03:28 PM   #5739
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When the traffic is low I drive the middle line too. You need 3 lines only by high traffic.
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Old January 27th, 2011, 03:34 PM   #5740
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When the traffic is low I drive the middle line too. You need 3 lines only by high traffic.
So basically you instantly trasform a three-lane motorway in a two-lane one, given that in most countries it is forbidden to overtake on the right...

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To me, and many of you guys will agree, a country to copy is Germany, it´s Autobahns (some looking similiar to race tracks) and the right road order. I love that order. What are your opinions on that?
In Austria, to a certain extent, this is even more evident.
A country not to take as a role model is Italy
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