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Old January 27th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #5741
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Sign system in Poland is poor and old-fashioned, not corresponding to reality of dual or more lanes system road. Not even mentioned about functionality with wide used navigation system across the Europe. That why we have to push government by citizen ideas to introduce these changes. Actually we have group of fans and professionals working on that. I wish all the best for them and wait for seeing result as soon as possible on Polish roads
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Old January 27th, 2011, 04:45 PM   #5742
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Just about anything that can be wrong about this sign is wrong. First of all, the size and layout is completely insufficient for 3 lanes. You hardly notice this sign between the giant noise barriers, especially because the same colors are used.

I agree

Second, why on earth is this road signed as S2? From this point on there will be several kilometers of S8 before you reach the (future) interchange with S2, but why sign Poznan and S2 together? It makes no sense, if you really must sign another number than the actual road number, at least use A2, because that's the road going to Poznan, not S2 which actually veers back east and is in my opinion a completely unnecessary road number to sign at this location. I wouldn't sign it sooner than interchange Konotopa.
I'm sure that the signs on the S8 will be altered when the interchange with the
A2/S2 at Konotopa is completed next year. At the Konotopa interchange the signs should be altered to say A2 Łódż and S2 Lotnisko
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Old January 27th, 2011, 10:33 PM   #5743
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Check this:

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Old January 28th, 2011, 01:40 AM   #5744
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The last photo shows the Inner Western Bypass of Bielsko-Biała completed on the 29th June 2006. Two tunnels are visible: one is 240 meters long and the another 150 meters
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Old January 28th, 2011, 11:36 AM   #5745
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And correct me if I'm wrong -- to get from Warsaw to Sochaczew, I would prefer the S2 anyway, rather than taking the 580...
True, but the DW580 also leads to the Sochaczew as an alterantive road. That means the sign should be where it is.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 11:52 AM   #5746
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The last photo shows the Inner Western Bypass of Bielsko-Biała completed on the 29th June 2006. Two tunnels are visible: one is 240 meters long and the another 150 meters
What's the reason for the second one? It seems to shelter the road from... nothing!
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Old January 28th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #5747
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Tunnels like this do not shelter the road from something, but something from the road. In this case - residential area. There is a park at the top of this tunnel as well.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 03:25 PM   #5748
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Tunnels like this do not shelter the road from something, but something from the road. In this case - residential area. There is a park at the top of this tunnel as well.
Agreed, but in many cases sound-proof barriers are enough:


I didn't know about the park on top of the tunnel. Sounds ingenious.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #5749
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areal photos of Biansko biala are extra nice ...thumb up
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Old January 28th, 2011, 11:56 PM   #5750
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areal photos of Biansko biala are extra nice ...thumb up
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Old January 31st, 2011, 10:58 PM   #5751
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Old February 1st, 2011, 04:50 PM   #5752
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 12:51 AM   #5753
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So basically you instantly trasform a three-lane motorway in a two-lane one, given that in most countries it is forbidden to overtake on the right...
If nothing has changed since I passed my exam, then FYI: it's not forbidden in Poland in cities to overtake on the right:
1. in cities, if the number of lanes is minimum 2
2. outside of "cities" (build-up areas) if the number of lanes is min. 3

Now this is law. In practice, of course, point 1 does not apply to motorways, because they are always "exterritorial" to cities. Point 2 probably also does not apply very often, because I don't know of any 3-lane road outside a city that is not a highway. But this law may apply to all the inner-city S-class roads, so you'd be allowed to overtake on the right.

Forumers, please update if I'm wrong.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 01:27 AM   #5754
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You're partly wrong. In Poland it is allowed to overtake on the right under two conditions:
1) on one-way roadways,
2) on two-way roads, as long as at least 2 lanes (built-up areas) or at least 3 lanes (outside of urban areas).

Point 1 in practice means all dual carriageway roads (i.e. motorways), because each carriageway is in fact a one-way road. So you can legaly overtake on the right on all dual carriageway roads, but I don't think that's such a good idea. In most cases this may be dangerous and is unnecessary. But sometimes this possibility is tempting, since polish drivers love to drive on the left so much...

Last Friday I covered about 900km on motorways, three times it happened to me that on a completely empty three lane highway I encountered a vehicle driving on the leftmost lane (twice in Austria, once in Czech Republic). Each time it turned out to be a polish driver. We just love left lanes!
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:35 AM   #5755
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.....Last Friday I covered about 900km on motorways, three times it happened to me that on a completely empty three lane highway I encountered a vehicle driving on the leftmost lane (twice in Austria, once in Czech Republic). Each time it turned out to be a polish driver. We just love left lanes!
I believe we drive leftmost lanes, 'cause we do not have highways in Poland, as a result we do not know how to drive on modern roads. we have no places to practise.

some may say: wait, we do have some (highways). but the truth is only some regions have got access to highways strips. even the capital has got none, not to mention "the East Wall" - Poland "B".
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 02:17 PM   #5756
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I believe we drive leftmost lanes, 'cause we do not have highways in Poland, as a result we do not know how to drive on modern roads. we have no places to practise.

true, sadly. We can also say "yes we do have motorways, but none with 3 lanes!"
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 03:13 PM   #5757
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true, sadly. We can also say "yes we do have motorways, but none with 3 lanes!"
A4 near Krakow and Silesia has even 4 lanes , so you are wrong !
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 11:01 PM   #5758
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He knows that, but it is what the street says.


From today on the very last missing section of A4 just at the Ukrainian border is U/C and is to be due till April 30th, 2012.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 11:04 PM   #5759
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He knows that, but it is what the street says.


From today on the very last missing section of A4 just at the Ukrainian border is U/C and is to be due till April 30th, 2012.
So the term is exactly one year and 3 months for building a motorway stretch? Please tell this to our politicians. Please!

PS: How many km?
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 11:06 PM   #5760
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A4 near Krakow and Silesia has even 4 lanes , so you are wrong !
2x2 ... 2 lines to Katowice and 2 to Kraków.

2x3 is a 3 line motorway
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