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Old May 19th, 2011, 03:16 AM   #6081
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Thanks, but what about the road from Zilina to Zywiec? Cieszyn is out of the way to get to Krakow.
Road goes just through about 4 villages on last 10 km and then there is an expressway from Zwardoń to Białsko-Biała. Imo this route may be worse because journey from the border to Kraków takes much more than you might think. Probably route via Brno might be better.

Btw, it is quite sad that journey from Žilina to Kraków takes about 2,5/3 hrs and it is just 160 km.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 03:54 AM   #6082
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I apologize. I should have clarified earlier that I'm not just looking for the fastest route from Vienna to Warsaw. I'm looking for an interesting drive. Scenic is a plus. Interesting roads works (completed or in progress) are a plus.

Yes, 2.5 to 3 hours for 160 kilometers is quite slow. I understand that Slovakia plan an expressway from Zilina to the border near Zwardoń. Of course, it won't be done (probably not even started) in time for my trip this July.

Also, I was thinking of going through Kocierz Moszczanicki and Targanize rather than through Białsko-Biała.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 09:14 AM   #6083
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Google Maps aren't up-to-date concerning Czech and Polish motorway network
Newly opened highways can be reported to Google's map data provider here:
http://mapinsight.teleatlas.com/mapfeedback/index.php
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Old May 19th, 2011, 09:47 AM   #6084
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I just returned from Poland yesterday... I personally prefer route to Katowice over Tešin/Cieszyn and Białsko-Biała then via Ostrava. Its longer but faster and more comfortable route.
Zagreb-Sosnowiec... 8,5 hours
I would make it in less than 8 hours but there were some road works in Poysdorf...
Things are changing fast in Poland but there is still a lot of work to do.

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Old May 19th, 2011, 12:38 PM   #6085
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I apologize. I should have clarified earlier that I'm not just looking for the fastest route from Vienna to Warsaw. I'm looking for an interesting drive. Scenic is a plus. Interesting roads works (completed or in progress) are a plus.

Yes, 2.5 to 3 hours for 160 kilometers is quite slow. I understand that Slovakia plan an expressway from Zilina to the border near Zwardoń. Of course, it won't be done (probably not even started) in time for my trip this July.
It is quite slow but mainly because of Polish part of a journey, traffic is always slow there. We don't really need to build D3 now because traffic isn't that high and there are by-passes. Just very last section Svrčinovec - Skalité is needed and construction may start in a next years - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pChmmPr035Y

Imo you should take road via Terchová (Malá Fatra moutains) and Trstená (Western Tatras). Some people use it so probably it is more or less the same. You should stop for a while in a Vrátna valley, it is just beautifle.

http://goo.gl/maps/Bfug

Terchová - http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/...186ab2b7_b.jpg

Vrátna valley - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3451/...6b822a9c_b.jpg

Sorry for off topic :P
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Old May 19th, 2011, 01:30 PM   #6086
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A18 and S3 Legnica-Czechia

When will works on A18 Olsznya to A4 start this year?
I read it is planned for 2011.
And are there any news about S3 from Legnica to the Czech border?
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Old May 19th, 2011, 03:09 PM   #6087
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When will works on A18 Olsznya to A4 start this year?
I read it is planned for 2011.
And are there any news about S3 from Legnica to the Czech border?
This section of S3 is canceled due to lack of funds, so there will be no news soon.

I don't know current A18 status but it seems that plans to start in 2011 are very out of date.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 04:22 PM   #6088
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A 18 has no luck and is a shame when you crossing a border from German side. Once again because of environmental issues and lack of money. Westbound side has been rebuilt over 10 years ago, eastbound wasn't as I know since it was built before II WW.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 04:24 PM   #6089
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This section of S3 is canceled due to lack of funds, so there will be no news soon.
Canceled or postponed?
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Old May 19th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #6090
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Canceled or postponed?
Yes, it will be build eventually but not in the next couple of years.

It have environmental decision (Decyzja Środowiskowa), but there is no money to continue.

S5 Wrocław - Rawicz is IMHO more important, and there is no money for this road either.

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Old May 19th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #6091
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How long is a DŚU valid? In the Netherlands they expire after 10 years.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 04:42 PM   #6092
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How long is a DŚU valid? In the Netherlands they expire after 10 years.
I think it's 4 years, but can be extend up to 6 years.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 07:44 PM   #6093
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A18

OK, but I think it's really important to rebuild southern lane auf A18. Otherwise visitors to European Football Championship 2012 have to drive on 70 year old road.
By the way, I don't understand why traffic doesn't use northern lane in both directions. On this motirway there isn't very much traffic, so it shouldn't be a problem.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #6094
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OK, but I think it's really important to rebuild southern lane auf A18. Otherwise visitors to European Football Championship 2012 have to drive on 70 year old road.
By the way, I don't understand why traffic doesn't use northern lane in both directions. On this motirway there isn't very much traffic, so it shouldn't be a problem.
In Poland the easiest and the most convenient solution is too simple to be implemented. We usually try to complicate things
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Old May 20th, 2011, 09:11 PM   #6095
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The Kraśnik bypass in eastern Poland is now visible on Google Earth:
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I was looking at some new Google Earth Imagery, and I noticed they are constructing a grade-separated road west of Augustów. Is this the (in)famous S8 that was intended to go through the Rospuda River area before it was canceled? I thought that one never came further than the legal phase, not actual construction. Or is it the first phase of the Class GP DK8 that will run from Augustów to Raczki?

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The road was already under construction, when the final phase of the conflict was going on. The forest at the the north-eastern terminus is the place where greenies set up their camp.

It was halted by our then-in-seat Prime Minister after European Comission threatened Poland to block EU funds.

What they've cunstructed is currently useless and will be demolished. But the bypass will use 90% of this route till the final turn to the right (it will go further to the west).

When the company hired to re-examine the route analyzed the original design they found out it doesn't fit to road design rules. Which is just one more point for those who said that first design of bypass was a mistake (trying not to use stronger words).
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Thanks Jakub

I never knew they actually started construction on this section. Too bad the alignment is not usable, it looks fairly straight to me. What kind of design errors are there specifically? Now I see they actually started earthworks north of the forest as well.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 12:03 AM   #6099
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Romas from ************ posted few pics 2 years ago of this part in ************ forum:

As he writes - road no. 16 should be on top:


Just before Augustow


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What kind of design errors are there specifically? Now I see they actually started earthworks north of the forest as well.
I'm sorry, I wasn't precise enough. The alignment is OK, the road will use the same space (more or less).

Mistakes in design: arcs and slopes didn't fit to expressway standards and would seriously endanger visibility and drainage efficiency.

Source: http://siskom.waw.pl/rospuda/dhv/obw...Raport_DHV.pdf (revised environmental impact assesment for Augustów bypass, in polish). Page 40, bottom paragraph, followed on p. 41.

You can find a lot of pictures of abandoned construction site on web.
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