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Old May 21st, 2011, 01:02 PM   #6101
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Condition of national roads in Poland



Green - Good condition
Yellow - Medium condition
Orange - Bad condition
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Old May 21st, 2011, 01:56 PM   #6102
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since "niezadowalajacy" means unsatisfactory, translating it as "medium condition" is kind of an overstatement, don't you think?
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Old May 21st, 2011, 02:57 PM   #6103
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A 18 has no luck and is a shame when you crossing a border from German side. Once again because of environmental issues and lack of money. Westbound side has been rebuilt over 10 years ago, eastbound wasn't as I know since it was built before II WW.
Yes, it is a shame.
Under this aspect as well I would prefer if whole traffic used northern lane of the motorway until the southern one will be rebuilt.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 03:18 PM   #6104
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Yes, it is a shame.
Under this aspect as well I would prefer if whole traffic used northern lane of the motorway until the southern one will be rebuilt.
But police doesn't prefer that. They claim that while northern lane was under construction, and whole traffic use southern, there was a lot of accidents. So they don't allow use of one lane.

And in my opinion it's not so stupid. Right now we have half of full standard motorway, and half where you can drive safely, but slower. I think in our situation, where it looks like most of the polish drivers are crazy (and i mean overtaking) two lane traffic is always better.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 03:25 PM   #6105
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since "niezadowalajacy" means unsatisfactory, translating it as "medium condition" is kind of an overstatement, don't you think?
To what extent?
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Old May 21st, 2011, 03:52 PM   #6106
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And in my opinion it's not so stupid. Right now we have half of full standard motorway, and half where you can drive safely, but slower. I think in our situation, where it looks like most of the polish drivers are crazy (and i mean overtaking) two lane traffic is always better.
I actually agree with you. Current situation is far from perfect, but in terms of safety it's way ahead of closing down the southern carriageway and making the northern one bidirectional. I'm pretty sure that wide lanes and good visibility would trigger some insane overtaking maneuvers...


That's what you get very commonly in Poland on straight and wide roads...
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Old May 21st, 2011, 09:46 PM   #6107
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that's another example of road raging, he's forcing the car driver to use the hard shoulder. Very stupid!!!
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Old May 21st, 2011, 09:46 PM   #6108
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Maybe I missed it, but are there already official statistics about the traffic fatalities in 2010?
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Old May 21st, 2011, 10:41 PM   #6109
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Maybe I missed it, but are there already official statistics about the traffic fatalities in 2010?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=73606297
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 07:00 PM   #6110
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But police doesn't prefer that. They claim that while northern lane was under construction, and whole traffic use southern, there was a lot of accidents. So they don't allow use of one lane.

And in my opinion it's not so stupid. Right now we have half of full standard motorway, and half where you can drive safely, but slower. I think in our situation, where it looks like most of the polish drivers are crazy (and i mean overtaking) two lane traffic is always better.
It's unterstandable and I got to know the problem with overtaking on Polish roads.
But northern lane of A18 is brider than southern one. It could be marked in 2+1. Then there shouldn't be many accidents because of overtaking.
By the way, on northern lane speet limit is lower than 130 km/h now regardless of motorway standard. I think it is 100 or 110 km/h.
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 08:17 AM   #6111
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since "niezadowalajacy" means unsatisfactory, translating it as "medium condition" is kind of an overstatement, don't you think?
That means "medium condition", whithout any holes, ruts, however with patches. You don't feel bigger discomfort when you drive, however the driving is not as comfortable as on the good and very good road.
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 11:56 PM   #6112
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I actually agree with you. Current situation is far from perfect, but in terms of safety it's way ahead of closing down the southern carriageway and making the northern one bidirectional. I'm pretty sure that wide lanes and good visibility would trigger some insane overtaking maneuvers...
I did this stretch of A18 at least few hundred times, The traffic is very low to the extend that sometimes one drives minutes without seeing any car or truck, which is extremely uncommon on other national roads in Poland. I agree it is safer now, but quality of southern lane is pathetic. Northern stretch is wide enough to make 2+1 swedish style out of it and that imo should be done.
edit:I guess Hanno1983 already covered that issue
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Old May 24th, 2011, 12:16 AM   #6113
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Northern stretch is wide enough to make 2+1 swedish style out of it and that imo should be done.
Agreed, 2+1 with line barrier in the middle would be the best solution.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 08:42 PM   #6114
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S11 (Western bypass of Poznan) by Carte (lots of good photos).

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...31159&page=103
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Old May 25th, 2011, 03:26 PM   #6115
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Anyone got a latest map? My relatives are going to be travelling from Zakopane to Zamosc in a few days time so what would be the quickest but most comfortable route to go by?
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Old May 25th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #6116
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Anyone got a latest map? My relatives are going to be travelling from Zakopane to Zamosc in a few days time so what would be the quickest but most comfortable route to go by?
A map was posted in this thread in late April. Looking at that map and Google maps, it seems like a long, slow, uncomfortable trip. The fastest way is probably to leave at first light and get past Krakow before the commute traffic starts. If someone else has first-hand information, go with that. I only looked at the maps.
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Old May 25th, 2011, 11:49 PM   #6117
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A map was posted in this thread in late April. Looking at that map and Google maps, it seems like a long, slow, uncomfortable trip. The fastest way is probably to leave at first light and get past Krakow before the commute traffic starts. If someone else has first-hand information, go with that. I only looked at the maps.
That's right.

Then there are 2 possibilities from Krakow to Zamosc: use DK4 to Rzeszow and DK19 to Zamosc or DK79 to Sandomierz and DK77, DK19, DK74 to reach Zamosc.

First option using DK4 is much more crowded that DK79 option.
Quality of road pavement is better on DK4 IMHO.

1st: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...61,2.90863&z=9

Here we can consider using google map's shortcut and turn right in Myslenice heading Łapczyca/Bochnia via DW964 via Dobczyce but I don't know the quality of that road.

2nd: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...61&ie=UTF8&z=8
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Old May 26th, 2011, 04:28 AM   #6118
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A4 Szarow-Tarnow (a bit dated)

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Prace są teraz bardziej zaawansowane. Jest to fotorelacja z 28.4.2011
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Old May 26th, 2011, 09:14 AM   #6119
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What is that old bridge pier across the Dunajec near Tarnów? I noticed that one on Google Earth as well.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:07 PM   #6120
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There aren't many motorways left to be opened this year are there? I can
only think of these:

A8 Wrocław airport - Wrocław Psie Pole (15th June 2011)

A1 Nowy Marzy - Toruń (September 2011)

A2 Polish/German border - Nowy Tomyśl (31st December 2011)

Have I missed any out? Expressway openings in 2011 perhaps?
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