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Old June 8th, 2011, 12:41 AM   #6161
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Does 'tender' mean 'bid' or 'let' in the American sense? And why would a bunch of RL experts offering a bunch of non-tenders (or whatever) out side of SSC cause a bunch of personal attacks here? How is this illegal? (I'm confused)
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Old June 8th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #6162
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Well, sorry for not being precise enough. There are some rumors that this section of A2 will be finished (if COVEC indeed abandon the construction site) without construction bidding. This is not allowed by our law, except in "extraordinary circumstances". Those extraordinary circumstances are supposed to mean for example repairing a bridge destroyed by some natural disaster etc. - things that have to be done quick, otherwise public interest is seriously endangered. The situation right now is - in my opinion - absolutely not extraordinary, so it would be illegal for the investor to continue the construction by private contract, without the tender process. Yet lots of people claiming otherwise (I called them experts ironically) flooded the A2 thread with, well, nonsense and personal attacks. Probably this is not the place to talk about it, but I'm just trying to convey how dense the atmosphere here is
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Old June 8th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #6163
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Yes, prestige is probably not "extraordinary". While not having A2 completed before Euro 2012 is annoying, it's not the end of the world, the A2 is most certainly not build for the sole purpose of serving Euro 2012.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #6164
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Thanks for the explanation now I understand.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:04 AM   #6165
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Yes, prestige is probably not "extraordinary". While not having A2 completed before Euro 2012 is annoying, it's not the end of the world, the A2 is most certainly not build for the sole purpose of serving Euro 2012.
Now tell this ordinary people, mass media and political oposition.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:24 AM   #6166
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I had the opportunity to fly single-engine aircraft over the construction of the A2 segment Konotopa Stryków.

I put a total of 50 images (10 per post) in the order they do on the side of the river until the node Stryków in Lodz. Photos belt construction begins at the height of Grodzisk Mazowiecki.

Unfortunately I did not have much concentration and time to make accurate descriptions of the objects visible in the pictures. Anyway, just from the air you can see how many different types of buildings, bridges, viaducts, culverts, transitions, etc. This shows the movie, which I put at the very end - takes less than a minute and shows a view from the plane to the runway construction around the Bolimów.

I hope that it will be a nice change after last nerve messages and many posts concerning the continuation of construction by COVEC Enjoy!

1. Przypominam - początek na wysokosci Grodziska Maz.

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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:25 AM   #6167
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:26 AM   #6168
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i just remembered some more details. COVEC is complaing that the investor (GDDKIA) isn't flexible and doesn't want to renegotiate the terms
I've heard something more pathetic: "GDDKiA pays on the last day and ignores COVEC's pleas to pay earlier". The most idiotic whine I've ever heard.

It looks like the Chinese either got wet feet for some reason, or have found another (perhaps cheaper?) way to get into the European market.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:26 AM   #6169
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:28 AM   #6170
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:29 AM   #6171
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #6172
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Amazing pictures and I can't believe how flat Poland is. Btw, where I can find up to date map of your network?
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Old June 8th, 2011, 02:21 AM   #6173
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Amazing pictures and I can't believe how flat Poland is. Btw, where I can find up to date map of your network?
At least most of Poland is

You can always find the most up to date information and maps in our statistical thread. Here's map: (green - ready, red - U/C, pink - design phase of design&build contract, yellow - tender, brown - tender for design&build, blue - environmental impact assessment):
http://ssc-mapa.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/nowa-mapa.png
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Old June 8th, 2011, 03:38 AM   #6174
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Yes, prestige is probably not "extraordinary". While not having A2 completed before Euro 2012 is annoying, it's not the end of the world, the A2 is most certainly not build for the sole purpose of serving Euro 2012.
It would however be a big inconvenience and probably not as much cause the country any damage but lets say it will miss out on a lot of opportunities it would have if the A2 was finished in time for Euro 2012. Imagine all DE and in some extend also UK, NL, BE and FR people including potential tourists and entrepreneurs experience infrastructure upto or even exceeding Western standards this could do Poland a lot of good from a tourist and broader economic point of view.

Lets hope at least the missing link between the German border and Poznan is finished by then.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 04:32 AM   #6175
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Exactly

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The situation right now is - in my opinion - absolutely not extraordinary
Yes, this is just your opinion - many people on this site think otherwise.

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Yet lots of people claiming otherwise (I called them experts ironically).
Only because they have a different opinion? Not nice...
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Old June 8th, 2011, 09:55 AM   #6176
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Yes, this is just your opinion - many people on this site think otherwise.
It's not really a matter of opinion. It's a legal question. What does "extraordinary" mean in the legal context. I teach law, though this question is outside my specific expertise, but toonczyk's interpretation seems likely to be correct. I would not want to have the task of trying to convince a judge that "extraordinary" would apply here. I cannot say that the alternative interpretation is entirely without merit. A case could probably be made that "extraordinary" legally includes Euro 2012, but I think it probably would be a weak case.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 11:18 AM   #6177
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I've heard something more pathetic: "GDDKiA pays on the last day and ignores COVEC's pleas to pay earlier". The most idiotic whine I've ever heard.
Assuming that is true, why don't other constructors complain about it?
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Old June 8th, 2011, 11:22 AM   #6178
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Assuming that is true, why don't other constructors complain about it?
Suppose you buy a car on credit and you must pay the bank every month on the 22nd. Every month, you pay on the 22nd. Then the bank complains that you never pay early.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:54 PM   #6179
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GDDKiA has their money on investments. If they keep it longer on deposite they will earn more interests. Why would they lose those money?
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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:58 PM   #6180
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GDDKiA has their money on investments. If they keep it longer on deposite they will earn more interests. Why would they lose those money?
The concept is called time value of money. One euro today is worth more than one euro tomorrow. No one pays tens or hundreds of millions of euro early unless there is an incentive to do so (such as a discount for early payment).
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