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Old June 10th, 2011, 08:54 PM   #6201
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Old June 10th, 2011, 09:26 PM   #6202
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Wow, you Polish road enthusiasts do a great job in visualizing and logging all statistics, maps, tenders, photo's, etc. of road projects

Two remarks;

* the missing link of A4 between Brzesko and Tarnów will be highly annoying for a while, because it's not easy to get from DK4 to A4 and vice versa. Ask the people of Targowisko about the 20 000 vehicles using DK75 every day to get to A4.

* does anyone know what's the reasoning behind the routing of DK79? Most of the DK-roads have a fairly consistent route, but DK79 follows a weird route from Warszawa to Bytom via Sandomierz and Kraków. There are much better routes (DK7 and DK8+DK1) between those points. Only from Warszawa to Sandomierz and from Sandomierz to Kraków does DK79 makes sense.
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Old June 10th, 2011, 09:42 PM   #6203
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The Drogowa Trasa Średnicowa - the urban expressway, opened today: 4,7 km of new 2x3 expressway (class GP) through the city of Zabrze.





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Old June 10th, 2011, 11:46 PM   #6204
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* does anyone know what's the reasoning behind the routing of DK79? Most of the DK-roads have a fairly consistent route, but DK79 follows a weird route from Warszawa to Bytom via Sandomierz and Kraków. There are much better routes (DK7 and DK8+DK1) between those points. Only from Warszawa to Sandomierz and from Sandomierz to Kraków does DK79 makes sense.
Don't know the orignal idea, by my personal opinion is that somebody wanted to have a national road alongside Vistula (Warsaw - Cracow), which is quite reasonable. Vistula is still a huge barrier in Poland, particularly between Warsaw and Cracow.

And then someone else also wanted to have another national road from Upper Silesia to Cracow.

In the end they merged it... (?).

It's always one free number more .
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Old June 11th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #6205
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Warsaw - West is the one and only reasonable possibility.
But it's the name of the S8/DK92 (present DK2) interchange
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Old June 11th, 2011, 11:00 PM   #6206
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But it's the name of the S8/DK92 (present DK2) interchange
Which is ridiculous.
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Old June 11th, 2011, 11:04 PM   #6207
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Warszawa-Záchod? But isn't that a normal offramp instead of a motorway-motorway interchange?
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Old June 11th, 2011, 11:13 PM   #6208
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Warszawa-Záchod? But isn't that a normal offramp instead of a motorway-motorway interchange?
In Poland we give names to every exit from expressway and motorway.

This section of DK2 is a 2x2 GP-class road with traffic lights. The size and type of juction was chosen in order to discourage non-locals to use DK2. So it should carry a local name.

Bronisze would be perfect in this case.

PS: Warszawa Zachód.
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Old June 12th, 2011, 10:15 AM   #6209
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Old June 13th, 2011, 03:51 AM   #6210
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In Poland we give names to every exit from expressway and motorway.

This section of DK2 is a 2x2 GP-class road with traffic lights. The size and type of juction was chosen in order to discourage non-locals to use DK2. So it should carry a local name.

Bronisze would be perfect in this case.

PS: Warszawa Zachód.
How about instead of names which are sometimes very confusing especially for foreigners, give every exit number like it is in some other countries ex. in USA?
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Old June 13th, 2011, 09:14 AM   #6211
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How about instead of names which are sometimes very confusing especially for foreigners, give every exit number like it is in some other countries ex. in USA?
That would be great, but GDDKiA have different conception, so there is nothing we can do.

In a matter of fact, the more motorways we build, then there is more problem with exit names. GDDKiA don't obey they own rules, and so we have "Wrocław" near Łódź, Wrocław-South,Airport and so on in Wrocław and lot of Stryków, Konotopa, Emilia everywhere (this names are completely anonymous for most of the Poles, unless someone know them as a exit name ).
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Old June 13th, 2011, 09:33 AM   #6212
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How about instead of names which are sometimes very confusing especially for foreigners, give every exit number like it is in some other countries ex. in USA?
In my opinion exit numbers based on road kilometer is the best solution.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 11:29 AM   #6213
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I prefer distance-based exit numbering plus exit names as well. But those exit names need to be named after the most significant town or city it reasonably serves, not necessarily the closest village or hamlet possible.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 11:50 AM   #6214
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In my opinion exit numbers based on road kilometer is the best solution.
I second that opinion. It used to be like that in the past, I don't know why they changed it.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 03:27 PM   #6215
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Hi there, can anyone tell me why the Brzesko to Tarnow motorway won't be constructed? And will there be another alternative motorway for this section? Thanks.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 03:37 PM   #6216
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As far as I know they had the same problems as with A1 Swierklany - Gorzyczki: contractor not doing enough to build the road. There is no alternate motorway, the whole Szarów - Tarnów motorway will be pretty useless without this section in my opinion. Luckily, DK4 is pretty high standard, as is the bypass of Tarnów.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 06:04 PM   #6217
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In my opinion exit numbers based on road kilometer is the best solution.
I am afraid that it will not be possible until the network of main highways is ready . The road kilometer numbering solution may vary until the network is completed. We don't even know what will be the ultimate road numbers when Poland finalizes its network.

Examples? On the A4 they have already changed kilometer bollards. A1 - we still don't know what's the mileage has to be on the southern sections. The puzzling lottery we have still have on the expressways. Would you number the current exits for S3, S7 or S8?

Too early...
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Old June 13th, 2011, 06:23 PM   #6218
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I don't get that. Why everything must be so complicated? Numbers doesn't have to relate to the kilometers. Just number exits in order starting from 1 on each Motorway. Let's say Exit 1 is on the north end of A1 near Gdansk and last exit whatever is it's number ex. 55 as the last one before the border with Czech. Any additional exit built on existing motorway/expressway would get number plus letter ex: 11A. Doesn't it make sense? It works well in other countries.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #6219
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i too would like to see exit's on polish motorways/expressways numbered (not by kilometers, by exit numbers) but as Hetman said it's still too early to do so right now (in most cases). If you look at many expressways (just to prove a point look at S7) there is neither a building plan ready, nor has the environmental impact assessment been done for some sections. So it is hard to tell whether the missing kilometers (be it 100, 200 or 50) will hold 10 exits, 15, or perhaps only 5. Sooner or later someone is going to introduce a better exit naming system than "name it after the closest village". But that has to wait at least until more of the network is built.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 07:46 PM   #6220
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I don't get that. Just number exits in order starting from 1 on each Motorway.
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But that has to wait at least until more of the network is built.
You're both right. But this system can be introduce right now on some sections, eg:
- whole A4, DK18
- A8 and S8 to Syców (or to Białystok, since this section of S8 have DŚU)
- A2 to Konotopa or perhaps Mińsk Mazowiecki
- A1 to Stryków (or to CZ Border, same as S8)
- S3 to Zielona Góra (or CZ Border, same as S8 and A1)
- A6, S1, S69, S22

As you can see there is more than plenty of roads when no new exit will came out.
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