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Old June 18th, 2011, 02:49 AM   #6261
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that seems to be a fly or some other bug inspecting construction site

I like this "medium, fine" GP-class quite a lot. Just a bit overbuilt with screens. I haven't seen anywhere so many of those by a local road in small town.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 01:14 PM   #6262
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Western bypass of Mragowo (small town in lake district)
Wouldn't it be better to install regular cats eyes instead of these poles with reflecting glasses? You drive thru it and its broken.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #6263
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The more imporant one, in DK16 corridor will take much more time and money.
Several sections of DK16 will be upgraded though. Even though an S16 doesn't seem plausible in the near future, I've read several sections will be built with de-facto S-standards and be in operation as class GP roads, leaving an easy upgrade in the future.

A question:

I thought June 15th was the opening date for several road projects, however, I can't recall any being opened. What are the next opening dates? I believe parts of S7 would open, as well as a section of A8 around Wrocław.

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Why does the completion of A2 around Mińsk Mazowiecki takes so long? I believe the opening date is December 2012, yet it is under construction for quite some time now (way before A2 Stryków - Konotopa began construction). The same can be said about S79 in Warszawa, I believe this one is U/C since 2009 or early 2010, but photos don't show significant progress yet.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 01:44 PM   #6264
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Several sections of DK16 will be upgraded though. Even though an S16 doesn't seem plausible in the near future, I've read several sections will be built with de-facto S-standards and be in operation as class GP roads, leaving an easy upgrade in the future.
Sure. But this is going to be much, much more expensive. And will be opposed by many different lobbies.

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A question:

I thought June 15th was the opening date for several road projects, however, I can't recall any being opened. What are the next opening dates? I believe parts of S7 would open, as well as a section of A8 around Wrocław.
Everything is on hold as long as problems with A2 Łódź - Warszawa aren't resolved. It's absolutely sure that finishing "chinese" secitions of the motorway will cost much more than COVEC asked in the original bid.

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Why does the completion of A2 around Mińsk Mazowiecki takes so long? I believe the opening date is December 2012, yet it is under construction for quite some time now (way before A2 Stryków - Konotopa began construction). The same can be said about S79 in Warszawa, I believe this one is U/C since 2009 or early 2010, but photos don't show significant progress yet.
Timetable for A2 byspass for Mińsk Mazowiecki is ridiculously overstretched. GDDKiA gave to much time for finishing it. And gave no incentive to the construction company to finish it earlier. If they wanted, it would be ready this year.

S2/S79 is deleyed. In my opinion it won't be ready for may 2012. Reasons only via PM.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 02:07 PM   #6265
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I thought June 15th was the opening date for several road projects, however, I can't recall any being opened. What are the next opening dates? I believe parts of S7 would open, as well as a section of A8 around Wrocław.
S7 Elbląg-Pasłęk (both very foreigner-friendly names) opening is planned for next week and that's it for this month AFAIR. Rest of A8 should be opened in mid August.
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Why does the completion of A2 around Mińsk Mazowiecki takes so long? I believe the opening date is December 2012, yet it is under construction for quite some time now (way before A2 Stryków - Konotopa began construction).
It's obviously way too much time for such an easy project. But at least it's pretty cheap (under 7mln EUR/km).
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The same can be said about S79 in Warszawa, I believe this one is U/C since 2009 or early 2010, but photos don't show significant progress yet.
There is a significant progress, but this is a complicated project with lots of collisions. I think realistically it'll be ready no sooner than autumn 2012.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 06:42 PM   #6266
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Several sections of DK16 will be upgraded though. Even though an S16 doesn't seem plausible in the near future, I've read several sections will be built with de-facto S-standards and be in operation as class GP roads, leaving an easy upgrade in the future.
There are several environmental obstacles (mainly Masurian lakes) and traffic is not that high so it's pretty much impossible to make S16 viable all the way from Grudziądz via Olszyn to Augustów. However I would think that constructing S16 from Ostróda to Biskupiec (including Olsztyn bypass) is possible some time in the future after more important mainline routes are finished.

Traffic keeps growing and jamming our tight routes, towns and cities therefore government will sooner or later return to other concepts which are now in the shadow due to lesser funds available. Even securing funds for top priority schemes is hard in a current economical downturn. Many things can still change. After studying plans from other countries it's easy to see how many ideas were thrown away and how many new ones were brought in.

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Old June 20th, 2011, 02:01 AM   #6267
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A2 around Konin by Rusonaldo (PPO - tolls, MOP - rest area, OUA - maintenance depot).

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Old June 20th, 2011, 02:02 AM   #6268
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Old June 20th, 2011, 02:05 AM   #6269
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S69 Bielsko-Biala - Zywiec by Marek Kocjan

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Aktualizacja zdjęć lotniczych - http://www.kocjan.pl/thumbnails-68.html

Węzeł Mikuszowice, S69 w kierunku Żywca:


Węzeł Rosta, S1 w kierunku Węzła Komorowice:
AOW A8 Wroclaw Bypass by MisterTPL

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Old June 20th, 2011, 01:25 PM   #6270
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http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przej%C...e_dla_pieszych

Do I understand correctly, that according to this article, pedestrians have a right of way at pedestrian crossings indicated with a sign and zebra markings?

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Old June 20th, 2011, 01:31 PM   #6271
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Pedestrian has a right of way once he is ON the crossing, but he's not allowed to enter the crossing right in front of an incoming vehicle. So if a pedestrian is standing on a sidewalk and waiting to cross the road (and there are no traffic lights), he doesn't have a right of way.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 05:09 PM   #6272
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Pedestrian has a right of way once he is ON the crossing, but he's not allowed to enter the crossing right in front of an incoming vehicle. So if a pedestrian is standing on a sidewalk and waiting to cross the road (and there are no traffic lights), he doesn't have a right of way.
...unless three people are waiting. Is this law still in force?
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Never heard of it.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 07:54 PM   #6274
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Can't wait until the border - Warsaw section of the A2 is fully complete so that I could test it myself!
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Old June 20th, 2011, 08:07 PM   #6275
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you mean: how fast you can get from Warsaw to the german border?
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Old June 20th, 2011, 08:52 PM   #6276
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I am not asking a question, I am just saying that I will try out that section as soon as it opens (I drive through Poland 2-4 times a year). And yes, I will go pedal-to-the-metal on that road, I always go fast on the completed sections of A2. It is a fantastic road, visibility is good, it is very straight and smooth. Too bad about tolls though, they're a bit of a bitch.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #6277
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I understand. If they finish A2 you will still be waiting for completing S8 Wa-wa - B-stok, though bypasses of last towns are under construction. And then last but least B-stok - Suwalki and border with Lithuania. Sorry, no good news for that portion. Who knows what is going to happened to this section. I would rather think S61 through Lomza will be under construction sooner.

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Old June 20th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #6278
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Unfortunately, our Eastern neighbours - Lithuania, Belarus will have to wait looong time for A/S standard road connection.
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On the other hand, Lithuania isn't exactly racing to build A5 to Kaunas into a motorway.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 09:21 PM   #6280
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Unfortunately, our Eastern neighbours - Lithuania, Belarus will have to wait looong time for A/S standard road connection.
Yup, I am aware of that. It is very sad indeed, but when you drive to London, the Kaunas-Bialystok section doesn't seem that long given the context, so we'll survive And it doesn't mean that I can't be happy about the Warsaw-Germany section being complete. It will shorten my travel time considerably. And if the quality remains as good as in the sections that are already complete, Warsaw-Germany might be the most enjoyable part of the trip for me (apart from the toll booths, of course).

I don't expect E67 Zambrow - Kaunas to be complete in another 15 years or so (if not more).

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On the other hand, Lithuania isn't exactly racing to build A5 to Kaunas into a motorway.
Yep. They are building a bunch of roads that are not that important (Vilnius southern bypass for example), when the road to build for Lithuania is ignored. They will start to upgrade the Kaunas - Marijampolė section to motorway (automagistralė) standards in 2013 I believe. They should have started in 2003 more like. That road is good but it has way more traffic than it can handle.
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