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Old August 26th, 2011, 01:28 AM   #6521
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Neither do I feel offended by Katia72, I'm pretty sure intention was just to highlight that specific picture from the bunch 'cause roads (not only A1) on it really look massive.

What's offending me and confusing are remarks like ziMer's:

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stupid observation, we are live in Europe so it looks more like European highway non American..
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Old August 26th, 2011, 10:26 AM   #6522
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Old August 26th, 2011, 10:31 AM   #6523
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well, it is said to be the biggest motorway interchange in EU, that's why it does look so American.
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Old August 26th, 2011, 10:42 AM   #6524
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well, it is said to be the biggest motorway interchange in EU, that's why it does look so American.
Well, the only American association which comes to my mind is just waste of the space...
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Old August 26th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #6525
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Hello! Excuse me, could anyone suggest which roads/highways to take travelling from Kaunas to Munchen(50km east of Munchen).
I'm travelling with no stops and need to get there as fast as possible
Thanks in advance!
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Old August 26th, 2011, 12:32 PM   #6526
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Hello! Excuse me, could anyone suggest which roads/highways to take travelling from Kaunas to Munchen(50km east of Munchen).
I'm travelling with no stops and need to get there as fast as possible
Thanks in advance!


DK8 to Piotrków Trybunalski, next DK1 to Katowice and A4 to german border.
DK8 to Wrocław and next A4 to german border
or simply use only DK8 to Czech border
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Old August 26th, 2011, 12:54 PM   #6527
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You are not mentioning the time of the day and the day of the week you will be travelling.

If you have free choice I would recommend that you plan to reach Warsaw around 10 pm to 11 pm. My suggestion in this scenario would be:
Kaunas-Białystok-Warsaw (some 5 to 6 hours).
Warsaw-Janki-Piotrkow Trybunalski-Wrocław-Munchen - if you are fast it is doable in some 10 hours.

When travelling at night you are avoiding heavy traffic on the roads under reconstruction - there are three major parts;
- S8 past Bialystok, some 26 km. If you choose the 11 pm scenario, you will be passing this part around 9 pm, the traffic should be lower. Alternatively you can choose the route Augustów-Łomża-Ostrów Mazowiecka (road 61+677) , but I don't know if you gain too much. It is also more difficult in terms of the driving effort (narrower road, worse quality of the road etc). Or, if you are experienced traveller, bypass Białystok via Tykocin (road 671)
- S8 past Warsaw, huge part (70 km or even more), passable only in the night. If you depart from Warsaw around midnight you should be able to pass it at the steady speed of 60 km/h, but I wouldn't expect any major traffic jams. During the day - I would discourage you from using this road.
- S8 in Warsaw (7 km, but funny . Around 10-11 pm - it is freely passable.

Honestly, I don't know what route to recommend when you will be travelling during the day. Definitely
- avoid S8 past Warsaw (Warsaw-Piotrkow Trybunalski)
- avoid Warsaw in the morning
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Old August 26th, 2011, 01:12 PM   #6528
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Departure is Riga at about 22:30 in this evening, so about 8 in the morning i'll be in Warsaw saturday...
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Old August 26th, 2011, 05:21 PM   #6529
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It's pretty hard for me to tell you for sure which route is better. 8am on Saturday morning should not be a big issue in Warsaw.

Personally I would choose the route to Berlin. For the three reasons:
1. This is the fastest way of getting through and out of Warsaw - simply follow the 8/S8 route.
2. Except for the last 20 km or so just before the German border there is no major reconstruction on your way.
3. On the alternative route, through Wroclaw, you would have to get through Wrocław around 1-2 pm (no bypass yet), which might slow you down.
You need some 1,5-2 hrs to get to A2, 2 more on A2 and 1,5 hrs to the border. Not sure about the traffic on the last part, though. Jams or slow traffic may happen. But this would be the only risky part.

Unfortunately this is the last weekend of holidays here, so you may encounter heavy traffic in general. East-West route is not the most popular route in Poland though, especially westbound and especially on saturdays.
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Old August 26th, 2011, 11:17 PM   #6530
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Alternatively you can choose the route Augustów-Łomża-Ostrów Mazowiecka (road 61+677) , but I don't know if you gain too much. It is also more difficult in terms of the driving effort (narrower road, worse quality of the road etc).
I normally choose this route, but I have just checked Google Maps and realised that if you go via Knyszyn (Bialystok ringroad?), the road is actually only a few km. longer than the Lomza route. Next time I will try driving through there!

EDIT: now that I look at the pictures of that road, it seems like it is a terrible idea to drive through there. This means that you would have to drive through Bialystok itself, which would add another 20+ km. to your journey. Personally, I think that the Lomza route is still the best option!
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Old August 26th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #6531
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Białystok is not a bad option, unless you hit the peak hours, you shouldn't loose too much time as you are actually not driving through the centre. There is also a piece of new road (not sure how to call it) on the entry from Augustow.

When driving via Bialystok the actual problem is the S8 construction between Białystok and Jeżewo, 28 km of heavy construction works.

There is also an alternative route - from Knyszyn via Tykocin to Jeżewo I discourage you from using this road unless you really enjoy the Polish countryside and some really bad roads
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Old August 27th, 2011, 11:29 AM   #6532
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Because of constructions in Bialystok and in road to Warsaw it's not wise idea to choose it. It's now a one big traffic jam because of it and may hours of loss.

But entry from Suwalki is good, it should by S class road, but project of S8 in this place had been abandoned.
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Old August 27th, 2011, 02:54 PM   #6533
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Well, the only American association which comes to my mind is just waste of the space...
Don't worry they will fit massive shopping mall in the middle of it.

Now, that's real America
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Old August 28th, 2011, 12:33 AM   #6534
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A8 Wroclaw

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Old August 28th, 2011, 12:46 AM   #6535
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Can you tell me what experience Poland made with chinese companies in building of high ways??
And what roads are made by them.
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Old August 28th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #6536
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Old August 28th, 2011, 01:12 AM   #6537
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Can you tell me what experience Poland made with chinese companies in building of high ways??
And what roads are made by them.
We've got no such experience because Chinese company terminated the contract before they actually built anything road-like.
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Old August 28th, 2011, 02:19 AM   #6538
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We've got no such experience because Chinese company terminated the contract before they actually built anything road-like.
Sorry for interfering but it's rather the opposite, in June the General Directorate for National Roads & Highways (GDDKiA) terminated contract with China's COVEC, due to lack of expected works' progress and after the contract re-negotiations failed.
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Old August 28th, 2011, 02:47 AM   #6539
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Sorry for interfering but it's rather the opposite, in June the General Directorate for National Roads & Highways (GDDKiA) terminated contract with China's COVEC, due to lack of expected works' progress and after the contract re-negotiations failed.
My bad. Just wanted to point the fact of termination, whoever's fault it was.
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Old August 28th, 2011, 02:48 AM   #6540
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A8 Wroclaw Bypass -> Redzinski Bridge (Polish: Most Rędziński)

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