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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:36 AM   #6721
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I'd rather ask why older parts of A2 are not made of concrete.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:37 AM   #6722
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From what I know, in this case it turned out that concrete would be both better (more durable) and less expensive in the long run, therefore that is what they went with.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #6723
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S69 Bielsko-Biala - Zywiec by Esce

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Zrobiłem w niedzielę nieco zdjęć z prawie gotowej obwodnicy Bielska-Białej. Mam nadzieję, że widok skończonej drogi wynagrodzi wam ubogie opisy

1. Rozpoczynamy na węźle Rosta, widok na wiadukt węzłowy.


2.


3. Pas włączenia w kierunku Żywca.


4.


5. Obrót w kierunku Cieszyna.


6. Zapowiedź następnego węzła.


7. Widok w kierunku Żywca.


8.


9. Obrót w kierunku Cieszyna.


10.
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11. Patrzymy w kierunku Cieszyna.


12.


13. Kierunek Żywiec.


14. Kierunek Cieszyn.


15. Trzeba zlikwidować wjazd na budowę stawiając brakujące ekrany.


16. Kierunek Żywiec.


17. Przyszły węzeł Suchy Potok.


18. Widać początek nieistniejącej łącznicy


19.


20. Obrót w kierunku Cieszyna.
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21. Osłony przeciwolśnieniowe czekają na montaż.


22. Kierunek Żywiec.


23. Pod wiaduktem.


24. Kierunek Cieszyn.


25. Kierunek Żywiec.


26. Kierunek Cieszyn - widoczne ograniczenia prędkości.


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28. Malownicze widoki w kierunku Żywca.


29.


30.
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32. Następne zdjęcie w kierunku Cieszyna - przed ograniczeniami będzie mrugać ostrzegawczy sygnalizator.


33. Schodzimy niżej, widok w kierunku Cieszyna.


34. Kierunek Żywiec.


35.


36. Kierunek Cieszyn.


37.


38. Wiadukt w ciągu ul. Krakowskiej (węzeł Bielsko-Biała Lipnik), widok w stronę Cieszyna.


39. Trochę się oddalamy.


40. Kościół w Lipniku.
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41.


42. Cały czas patrzymy w kierunku Cieszyna.


43.


44. Obrót w kierunku Żywca.


45.


46. Kierunek Cieszyn.


47. Ten kościół będzie jednym z bardziej charakterystycznych punktów tej drogi. Chyba trudno spotkać na jakiejkolwiek polskiej ekspresówce lub autostradzie tak "dobrze skomunikowaną" świątynię


48. Widok z estakady w kierunku Cieszyna.


49. Obrót w kierunku Żywca.


50. Kierunek Cieszyn.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 07:03 AM   #6724
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A1 near Nowe Marzy and bridge at Wisla river.

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Pozwolę sobie wrzucić kilka świeżych zdjęć lotniczych z A1, opublikowanych przez Wyborczą:







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Old September 28th, 2011, 10:42 AM   #6725
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Nice job on the S69 photos Esce
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Old September 28th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #6726
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What is going on in esce's photo number 5? Are these marks left by construction vehicles?
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Old September 28th, 2011, 05:02 PM   #6727
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It should be marks left by construction vehicles. On the other hand it could be private cars, which was there illegally.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #6728
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Are they going to open S69 in between Bielsko-Biala and Zywiec soon? I was driving there in both directions last weekend still on DK69 and progress on work looks immense
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Old September 28th, 2011, 11:11 PM   #6729
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When are they going to repair A18? If you are going from Golnice to the German border the motorway is very good. But the other direction is horrible. From German border to Golnice, this motorway is maybe the worst in Europe. Its in so bad condidion so when i'm driving on that part i'm afraid the car is going to be broken because the motorway is in so very bad condition.

So when are they going to do someting with this motorway? I think this motorway is a shame for Poland. When i'm going from Germany at a quite normal motorway and then pass the border and see this horrible motorway Poland look like something terrible just because the motorway is so very bad here. So I really hope they soon are going to do something with this horrible motorway.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #6730
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Technically that is not a motorway, it is a normal dual carriageway road with a 100 km/hr speed limit. I believe the tender to fix the south carriageway was cancelled this year, and is not a priority atm. While the road may be tragic when it comes to driving comfort, it does provide more safety than many other roads in poland. For now it looks as though upgrading this section may be a matter of 10 years.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #6731
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I drive this road last week, and I agree that it's horrible. But it's quite safe road, with small traffic, and north carriageway is in perfect shape. Because of recent financial cuts this road gets lowest priority, and there is no hope for repair in any near future.

Also there is no possibility of use north carriageway for both direction. No chance for any ad hoc repair neither. But this is good thinking - if you do something do it right.

And just like jeremiash said it's not motorway - it's droga krajowa 18 (national road). Nonetheless I think there is no reason to put speed limit less than 140km/h on north carriageway. If it's okay on other motorways, and clearly north carriageway meet every motorway standards.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #6732
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When are they going to repair A18? If you are going from Golnice to the German border the motorway is very good. But the other direction is horrible. From German border to Golnice, this motorway is maybe the worst in Europe. Its in so bad condidion so when i'm driving on that part i'm afraid the car is going to be broken because the motorway is in so very bad condition.

So when are they going to do someting with this motorway? I think this motorway is a shame for Poland. When i'm going from Germany at a quite normal motorway and then pass the border and see this horrible motorway Poland look like something terrible just because the motorway is so very bad here. So I really hope they soon are going to do something with this horrible motorway.

Tender has been cancelled due to lack of fundings. Also, long-awaited construction permit is yet to be issued any time now, however the new tender will not kick off unless GDDKiA finds money for that. To be realistic, the works will not commence sooner than spring 2013.....

Bad thing is that the police has not agreed to close the south lane either, so It appears that we will have to face this shame for much longer...
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:21 AM   #6733
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Technically that is not a motorway, it is a normal dual carriageway road with a 100 km/hr speed limit.
That is no excuse for the absolutely unacceptable condition this roadway is in. While it may technically not be a motorway, it is part of the European high-standard, international road network. It has the same function as the other direction, or German A15.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:26 AM   #6734
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There are so many priorities much higher than resurfacing the eastbound carriageway of the DK18. For example, completing the S7 between Warsaw and Krakow. There are many others.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #6735
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Very strange! The A18 is built like a motorway. They had never built it like a normal road. From the begin A18 was built by Germans in 1930s. The Germans just built one carriageway, but they planned to built the other later. But from the begin it was built to be a motorway. So from 1930s to 2004 it was like a half motorway, not completed.

But in 2004-2007 this motorway was completed with the second carriageway and the motorway is complete from 2007. But the old carriageway is in a very bad condition. So I think it should be natural to repair the old carriageway and the really sign it with motorway signs.

This motorway is important. I'ts a part of an important motorway from Berlin to Kraków. Its a part om the E36 and it's also a part of Corridor 3. It's a part of the Trans European Motorways. I also notice it's a lot of trucks using this motorway from Germany to Ukraine or more eastern places. So this motorway is important. And many people going from Germany to Poland are using this motorway. The German motorway A15 looks very normal. And all traffic that are going over the border to Poland see the normal German motorway change to this horrible Polish motorway A18.

Even if they dont sign it with motorway sign, it is a motorway and its built like a motorway. And a very important part of the motorway from Berlin to Kraków.

I think this motorway is a real shame for Poland.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #6736
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This motorway is important.
I don't care how good and important this motorway looks on a map. The truth is that it's AADT is way below anything that would give a reason to build a motorway there.

This road is screaming for 2+1 alignment and 2x2 around the junctions. Like S6 around Słupsk. Nothing more for the following decade.

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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #6737
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But in 2004-2007 this motorway was completed with the second carriageway and the motorway is complete from 2007. But the old carriageway is in a very bad condition. So I think it should be natural to repair the old carriageway and the really sign it with motorway signs.
Naturally you right, but theres no money. And it is no motorway since you can't move faster than 70-80 on this south lane. There is plenty bad things about polish road, but you've got to admit that if something is not in motorway standard it's not signed as one.


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This motorway is important. I'ts a part of an important motorway from Berlin to Kraków. (...) And many people going from Germany to Poland are using this motorway.
But there have to be some priorities. Polish roads are first for polish people, then for international transport. Big polish cities are not connected by motorways (Warsaw-Krakow, Poznan-Wroclaw, etc) because there is no money for it, so it's natural that we don't build road that connect border with another road (A4) mostly through the woods.

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Agreed, but there is nothing we can do right now.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:13 PM   #6738
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I think this motorway is a real shame for Poland.
Rome wasn't built in a day - we can not build all the roads, restore all the cities and towns etc. in a few years time - there are some priorities.

One day we will overtake Germany , but we still need sth like 40-50 years.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:20 PM   #6739
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Western countries started thier motorways construction in 1950s (Germany earlier), In Poland we started at the beginnig of the XXI century... In fakt it`s 50 years later...
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One day we will overtake Germany , but we still need sth like 40-50 years.
The way things have been going for the last ten to twenty years, it won't take that long.
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