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Old October 2nd, 2011, 11:35 PM   #6761
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Could it be possible to post a similar map, with planned roads in dashed grey ?
(There must be an underlying plan for a complete S10, S69, etcetera)
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 11:49 PM   #6762
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Could it be possible to post a similar map, with planned roads in dashed grey ?
(There must be an underlying plan for a complete S10, S69, etcetera)
On map posted here there is no planned roads because people here on forum decide that we want perfectly accurate map. And you know exactly how road will be going after DŚU (environmental decision) so we don't put anything without this decision.

You can check this http://stadiony.klszarak.org/scc_a_s.swf You have to click second button from bottom-left, and then road number (or "all" button).

As a bonus, you can see the future on this map-application Just click year 2011-2015 on "main page".

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Old October 3rd, 2011, 01:25 AM   #6763
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I'm not interested in the exact alignment of the motorways, just in the complete scheme of all planned A- and S-roads, as well as double carriageways DK-roads. (i.e. a complete national road plan for 2040 or later). Is there such a picture anywhere on the internet ?
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 02:46 AM   #6764
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 03:40 AM   #6765
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I'm not interested in the exact alignment of the motorways, just in the complete scheme of all planned A- and S-roads, as well as double carriageways DK-roads. (i.e. a complete national road plan for 2040 or later). Is there such a picture anywhere on the internet ?
Unless I'm massively mistaken, following kooba's instructions and hitting ALL at the end gives a complete picture of planned A- and S- roads and thus a reasonable facsimile of what such a plan would look like. I don't know about DK roads, though...
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 08:16 AM   #6766
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I'm not interested in the exact alignment of the motorways, just in the complete scheme of all planned A- and S-roads, as well as double carriageways DK-roads. (i.e. a complete national road plan for 2040 or later). Is there such a picture anywhere on the internet ?
Maybe 'good old' Wikipedia would help (without DK roads though)...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_a...ways_in_Poland
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 10:56 AM   #6767
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DK50 should also be a 2x2 expressway eventually...
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 11:20 AM   #6768
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I don't think so... Well there are two others expressways. One is is completed and is 8,6 km long from Katowice to Sosnowiec.




The other one is a concept... From Grudziądz to Augustów



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Old October 3rd, 2011, 11:26 AM   #6769
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I wonder about DK9. From what I read, it is not an important road, the least important 1-digit road number in Poland. Why didn't they number DK19 as DK9?
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 11:37 AM   #6770
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I don't know. This number system is somehow based historically I guess. Anyway DK19 exist and goes almost parallel to Eastern border from Kuźnica Białostocka (BY) to Rzeszów.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 11:37 AM   #6771
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I wonder about DK9. From what I read, it is not an important road, the least important 1-digit road number in Poland. Why didn't they number DK19 as DK9?
From Wikipedia: there was a conception from 1946 to build north-south motorway Gdańsk-Warszawa-Radom-Rzeszów-Czechoslovakia. Later A1 take this function, and only low number left for DK9.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 10:28 PM   #6772
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I take it Poland's northeast is its least economically productive/dense/urban/whatever? Traffic counts are much too low to justify an S-road? I would venture to guess that as the network gets completed, the S16 will start to seem more and more viable.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 10:42 PM   #6773
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DK50 should also be a 2x2 expressway eventually...
It is even a motorway in the National Spatial Development Concept 2030: http://www.mrr.gov.pl/rozwoj_regiona...apy_150411.pdf (pages 6, 12-14).
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Old October 4th, 2011, 10:54 PM   #6774
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A1 Grudziądz - Toruń - 62,4 km, building time: 08/2008 - 12/2011 by Skanska www.autostradaa1.pl - will be opened in 10 days:

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Old October 5th, 2011, 12:45 PM   #6775
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S3 Międzyrzecz - Sulechów

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Old October 5th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #6776
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Excellent pictures and great progress. When is the whole section scheduled to be opened?

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I have proposed this one myself some time ago, glad to see that somebody else sees the need for it. Such road would take away a lot of international HGV traffic from Warsaw. Note that the map isn't quite correct in the north east (wrong track for S61/E67) and the busiest section of such road would have to start/end somewhere near Ełk and not Augustów (correct me if I am wrong).
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Old October 5th, 2011, 03:15 PM   #6777
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An S16 would be vital for tourism in the region, but traffic volumes are rather low in that area, and rarely exceed 10.000 vehicles per day between towns. If I'm correct they are doing some upgrades here and there that would make it possible to incorporate upgraded sections into a future S16.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 03:48 PM   #6778
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An S16 would be vital for tourism in the region, but traffic volumes are rather low in that area, and rarely exceed 10.000 vehicles per day between towns. If I'm correct they are doing some upgrades here and there that would make it possible to incorporate upgraded sections into a future S16.
I can bet that having A2/S5, S10 and S16 the number of tourist traffic between April and October woulld increase because Masuria would be opened for Western tourist as well.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 03:52 PM   #6779
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An S16 would be vital for tourism in the region, but traffic volumes are rather low in that area, and rarely exceed 10.000 vehicles per day between towns. If I'm correct they are doing some upgrades here and there that would make it possible to incorporate upgraded sections into a future S16.
I drove through Olsztyn (from Lithuania towards Germany via DK16) a few years ago and the roads there are not adequate enough to lure HGVs and international traffic away from the S8-Warsaw-A2 option (which is still much quicker and less dangerous). If DK16 was was rebuilt to expressway standard, it would be the shortest route for all Baltic and some of Belarussian and Russian traffic to/from the west and so traffic numbers would increase significantly straight away. I definitely see economic sense in that road. I am not sure how viable this is though, I was told by someone in this thread earlier that those areas are very eco-sensitive and so even if they did build a road like that, they would probably limit truck numbers that pass through it. Not sure how much truth there is in this, would be interesting to hear more opinions.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 04:23 PM   #6780
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Now that the contracts are signed for S8 between Łask and interchange Wrocław (A1), what is the status of the A1 missing link between Stryków and Tuszyn? The last leg of S8 from Rzgów to A1 cannot be opened without an A1 there, I suppose...
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