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Old October 10th, 2011, 11:22 PM   #6821
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how do you mean that? what is it then?
A concrete cattle grid.

And in response to your previous comment... I expected some national routes to be subjected to improvements. Not just motorways.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #6822
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A concrete cattle grid.
Well, that sounds a bit as if you drove on DK18, not A4.
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And in response to your previous comment... I expected some national routes to be subjected to improvements. Not just motorways.
They are subject to some major improvements. Perhaps you were unlucky with your route - where have you been except A4?
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Old October 10th, 2011, 11:45 PM   #6823
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Well, that sounds a bit as if you drove on DK18, not A4.

They are subject to some major improvements. Perhaps you were unlucky with your route - where have you been except A4?
Been to Walbrzych. And that A4 from border is supposed to be new. It didn't look new to me.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:06 AM   #6824
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I've read there are some problems with the westernmost section of A4, I believe some issues with longitudinal cracks or joints that broke.
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And that A4 from border is supposed to be new. It didn't look new to me.
I still suspect you drove on DK18, not A4 Looked like this?
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:09 AM   #6826
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Yes it did. It wasn't there two years ago, there were towns and cows and dodgy level crossings... So the extension from the German A4 isn't called A4 in Poland until further away?
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:15 AM   #6827
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I was in Poland last week. I hadn't been there in two years, and expected a major improvement on its roads. It was a major dissapointment. I knew the A4/E40 was completed from the German border onwards, so I went that way. Another dissapointed. Yes, it's completed - but it isn't much of a road... I wasnh't very impressed. I know they can do better then that, as they did a good job on the A4 after Wrocklaw.
I assume that you talking about A4 Krzyżowa-Wrocław. This road was originally build in 1936 by Germans

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So the extension from the German A4 isn't called A4 in Poland until further away?
Jest it is. There is brand new A4 from German border (Zgorzelec) to Krzyżowa. There is also "half" motorway DK18 (sometimes called A18) from German border (Olszyna) to Krzyżowa (A4). South carriageway of this road is in dramatical condition.
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Yes it did. It wasn't there two years ago, there were towns and cows and dodgy level crossings... So the extension from the German A4 isn't called A4 in Poland until further away?
It is, the photo is of A4. Well, if Chris says there are some problems then there probably are, but I haven't heard anything about it. The section between the border and Krzyżowa is new and I consider it a very high quality road, unlike the section from Krzyżowa to Wrocław (which is in very poor shape).
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:18 AM   #6829
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No, I'm talking about the new bit of A4, right after Goerlitz border, heading towards Wrocklaw. That wasn't there 2 years ago, and it looks like that road posted above, which is dissapointing for a neww road.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:23 AM   #6830
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No, I'm talking about the new bit of A4, right after Goerlitz border, heading towards Wrocklaw. That wasn't there 2 years ago, and it looks like that road posted above, which is dissapointing for a neww road.
Now I don't get you. I drove this road about year ago, and it was excellent new highway.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:30 AM   #6831
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You can tell by that picture that it's not an exellent new highway, right? This road does not fall under the definition of an exellent new highway. It looks like plates of concrete have been placed in a field.

Take a look at some of the latest pictures that Chris has posted in the Netherlands thread, and compare.
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Now I'm really confused. What is it that you expect of motorways then, other than two smooth and wide carriageways? I'm really curious - which roads in Europe do you consider "excellent new highways"?
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #6833
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You can tell by that picture that it's not an exellent new highway, right? This road does not fall under the definition of an exellent new highway. It looks like plates of concrete have been placed in a field.
It's concrete, but it's very smooth. Unless something terrible happened with this road since last year Do you feel some uncomfortableness in your car?
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #6834
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Now I'm really confused. What is it that you expect of motorways then, other than two smooth and wide carriageways? I'm really curious - which roads in Europe do you consider "excellent new highways"?
A4 AFTER Wrocklaw, A38 in Germany, most French tollroads, new A4 between Turin and Milan, recent refurbished roads in the Netherlands, large parts of the newly refurbished A3 in Germany all fall under exellent new highways. And there are more. The new refurbished R2 at Antwerp is dissapointing as well, and has the same quality as that new A4 in Poland. If you're going to build new motorways, then try and make it look like a new motorway. I know you guys in Poland probably are happy with a little less, after the state of most of your roads have been in, but hey... you're in Europe now. Your tax money deserves better. And so does mine, as a lot of these projects are funded by the European Union.
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It's concrete, but it's very smooth. Unless something terrible happened with this road since last year Do you feel some uncomfortableness in your car?
Apart from that racket coming from between the wheels and the road surface? And the cracks in the road? No. But it was a sunny day. I'll expect to be driving on it in the rain in the next few weeks. And I'll be here to write about it. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #6836
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A4 AFTER Wrocklaw, A38 in Germany, most French tollroads, new A4 between Turin and Milan, recent refurbished roads in the Netherlands, large parts of the newly refurbished A3 in Germany all fall under exellent new highways. And there are more. The new refurbished R2 at Antwerp is dissapointing as well, and has the same quality as that new A4 in Poland. If you're going to build new motorways, then try and make it look like a new motorway. I know you guys in Poland probably are happy with a little less, after the state of most of your roads have been in, but hey... you're in Europe now. Your tax money deserves better. And so does mine, as a lot of these projects are funded by the European Union.
I still dont get what is wrong with that road. I would say it is much better than german part.
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A4 AFTER Wrocklaw, A38 in Germany, most French tollroads, new A4 between Turin and Milan, recent refurbished roads in the Netherlands, large parts of the newly refurbished A3 in Germany all fall under exellent new highways. And there are more. The new refurbished R2 at Antwerp is dissapointing as well, and has the same quality as that new A4 in Poland. If you're going to build new motorways, then try and make it look like a new motorway. I know you guys in Poland probably are happy with a little less, after the state of most of your roads have been in, but hey... you're in Europe now. Your tax money deserves better. And so does mine, as a lot of these projects are funded by the European Union.
Still I can't see any difference between A38 and the section of A4 in question. A4 in Italy has three lanes and that's pretty much all the difference I can spot. Could you be more specific what features do they have that our A4 lacks? Is it just about the surface (maybe something went wrong there since I drove on it, as Chris mentioned)?
I'm not trying to be defensive, I'm honestly curious. For me this section, along with rebuilt parts of A2 near Graz and A5 north of Wien, are the highest quality roads I drove on.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 12:57 AM   #6838
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I still dont get what is wrong with that road. I would say it is much better than german part.
Oh dear God...
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I still don't know what is wrong with this section of A4. It's looks great to me. And I have seen motorways in eg. Germany, Netherlands. Maybe you can be more specific?

Out of curiosity - why you keep spelling Wrocław - Wrocklaw? It's just a mistake, or you trying to replace "ł" with "kl" ?

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Apart from that racket coming from between the wheels and the road surface? And the cracks in the road? No.
I read it too late. Well what can I say.. I didn't experience that. Maybe you overreacting just a bit.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 02:03 AM   #6840
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(...) but hey... you're in Europe now.
In Europe NOW? And where was Poland before that?? In Asia?

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Your tax money deserves better. And so does mine, as a lot of these projects are funded by the European Union
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that road. It's concrete so it's a different feeling to drive on it comparing to asphalt roads, but it's nice and smooth. Maybe you're not used to such surface and you're overreacting as kooba said?

I agree that a lot should be expected from new roads built in Poland, but I find this one in particular totally OK and to me you're just nitpicking. And I have no idea why...
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