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Old October 11th, 2011, 01:12 PM   #6861
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That's the nature of the Polish pronunciation, which is quite different from other European languages. I don't think many non-Poles can correctly pronounce places like Łódź, Rzeszów or crazy Świętochłowice.
Try Brzęczkowice or Murzasichle
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Old October 11th, 2011, 01:16 PM   #6862
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U/C A1 on the way to Gdansk.

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Old October 11th, 2011, 02:06 PM   #6863
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Pfffff!!!

Most Poles fails with that:

"No i cóż, że ze Szwecji?"
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Old October 11th, 2011, 02:40 PM   #6864
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History of the construction of expressways and highways in Poland

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How many existing km's of motorway does Poland have now, and how many is U/C currently? It should be close to 1600km/1300km.

Any news about when A1 will be completed until Gdansk? I drove there and back on the weekend, I saw 5 accidents, one was my own (police crashed into me). I've driven all around Ukraine, and I never saw so terrible driving habits like in Poland. People think 3 cars can fit on 2 lanes, and if you, as a driver going in your own lane will not move to the right (risking to hit any obstacle, car or even people there) then you will crash. It's insane.
Here you have great map in flash, History of the construction of expressways and highways in Poland.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #6865
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2013 starts to look good! I guess it's a very optimistic map, but still. Also why is this that Warsaw has the worst motorway connection with other cities? Gdansk, Poznan, Krakow, Lodz are all better.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 03:09 PM   #6866
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Will they actually keep the border crossing near Świecko?

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Old October 11th, 2011, 03:40 PM   #6867
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Will they actually keep the border crossing near Świecko?
There is Border Guard headquarter and in case of temporary border control they need place to control the drivers.

Documentation is prepared for the new A2 course, new variant runs on the south side of the Border Guard buildings. It begins with bridge dilatation and ends at the newly rebuilt concrete section.

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Old October 11th, 2011, 05:48 PM   #6868
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That's the nature of the Polish pronunciation, which is quite different from other European languages. I don't think many non-Poles can correctly pronounce places like Łódź, Rzeszów or crazy Świętochłowice.
I agree. I was surprised the first time I heard Łódź. If written as pronounced, in English Łódź would be "Wudz" or something like that.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 06:04 PM   #6869
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I agree. I was surprised the first time I heard Łódź. If written as pronounced, in English Łódź would be "Wudz" or something like that.
More-less, but "ź" sound is completely different than "z", and I don't think there is anything similar in English. This way Wrocław is something like Vrozwav
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Old October 11th, 2011, 06:56 PM   #6870
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It is, the photo is of A4. Well, if Chris says there are some problems then there probably are, but I haven't heard anything about it. The section between the border and Krzyżowa is new and I consider it a very high quality road, unlike the section from Krzyżowa to Wrocław (which is in very poor shape).
There are some cracks and potholes on former A18 bit between Krzyżowa and Krzywa. Only apparent problem with new stretch of A4 is partly wiped off white line separating hard shoulder.

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A4 AFTER Wrocklaw, A38 in Germany, most French tollroads, new A4 between Turin and Milan, recent refurbished roads in the Netherlands, large parts of the newly refurbished A3 in Germany (..)
Apart from the Italian one I know all of these motorways very well, driving on many times a year (A38 - 3 weeks ago) must say You are talking rubbish or suspension of your vehicle (a van?) needs a serious attention. All new German motorways, built with concrete, represent the same level of quality. No less, no more.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 07:25 PM   #6871
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Try Brzęczkowice or Murzasichle
Yeah, but there are not many Poles who wouldn't have slight difficulties to pronounce: Chrząszczrzeboszyce powiat Łękołody
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Old October 11th, 2011, 10:54 PM   #6872
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Old October 12th, 2011, 09:17 AM   #6873
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I noticed on the most recent map that the DSU was completed for the northern part of S11 near Koszalin, but I guess there won't be any movement on it for a while, right? Fairly low priority?
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Old October 12th, 2011, 09:58 AM   #6874
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The most advantageous bid for the construction of S17 between the nodes Dąbrowica and Lubartów has been submitted by Dragados company.

Lublin Division of the General Directorate For National Roads and Motorways executing the judgement of the National Appeal Chamber as of 21st September current year, has invalidated the choice of the most advantageous bid for the construction of section of the expressway S17 between the nodes Dąbrowica and Lubartów (task no. 3). After making a second evaluation of the submitted bids a Spanish company Dragados has been chosen.

Let us remind here that in the second stage of the tender proceedings 13 bids have been received. The Spanish company has proposed the lowest price, but the contents of the bid has not corresponded to the Terms of Reference, which has been the cause for its rejection. Dragados has made an appeal to the National Appeal Chamber and as a result the first choice of the most advantageous bid had to be invalidated.



The Spanish company has valued the construction of a two-road expressway with three lanes between the nodes Dąbrowica (without a node) and Lubartów (along with a node) of the length 10.2 km at 474 801 609.99 PLN. Within the scope of the investment a connection will be built along the national road no. 19 leading from the Lubartów node to the administrative boundaries of Lublin, a network of access roads of the total length of 27.3 km, acoustic baffles of the length 13.6 km, seventeen engineering structures (14 viaducts and three footbridges) as well as eight passages for small and medium animals (independent and combined with the engineering structures or culverts). The contractor will have 24 months realisation of the investment from the date of signing the contract.
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The most advantageous bid for the construction of S17 between the nodes Dąbrowica and Lubartów has been submitted by Dragados company.

Lublin Division of the General Directorate For National Roads and Motorways executing the judgement of the National Appeal Chamber as of 21st September current year, has invalidated the choice of the most advantageous bid for the construction of section of the expressway S17 between the nodes Dąbrowica and Lubartów (task no. 3). After making a second evaluation of the submitted bids a Spanish company Dragados has been chosen.

Let us remind here that in the second stage of the tender proceedings 13 bids have been received. The Spanish company has proposed the lowest price, but the contents of the bid has not corresponded to the Terms of Reference, which has been the cause for its rejection. Dragados has made an appeal to the National Appeal Chamber and as a result the first choice of the most advantageous bid had to be invalidated.



The Spanish company has valued the construction of a two-road expressway with three lanes between the nodes Dąbrowica (without a node) and Lubartów (along with a node) of the length 10.2 km at 474 801 609.99 PLN. Within the scope of the investment a connection will be built along the national road no. 19 leading from the Lubartów node to the administrative boundaries of Lublin, a network of access roads of the total length of 27.3 km, acoustic baffles of the length 13.6 km, seventeen engineering structures (14 viaducts and three footbridges) as well as eight passages for small and medium animals (independent and combined with the engineering structures or culverts). The contractor will have 24 months realisation of the investment from the date of signing the contract.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:07 AM   #6875
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I thought it was the S19 rather than the S17 which goes through Lubartów.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:09 AM   #6876
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They all do S12 + S17 + S19
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:18 AM   #6877
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That's the nature of the Polish pronunciation, which is quite different from other European languages. I don't think many non-Poles can correctly pronounce places like Łódź, Rzeszów or crazy Świętochłowice.

I can accurately pronounce places like Łódź, Rzeszów or Świętochłowice.
But then I am half Polish and have been to Poland many times where my clear pronounciation is praised by locals and my relatives alike
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:53 AM   #6878
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I thought it was the S19 rather than the S17 which goes through Lubartów.
In fact the S17 does not go through Lubartów, but we have the junction (node) named "Lubartów" on Lublin by-pass, which is far from Lubartów (city). I hope the name of node will be changed to Lublin-North.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 12:11 PM   #6879
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In fact the S17 does not go through Lubartów, but we have the junction (node) named "Lubartów" on Lublin by-pass, which is far from Lubartów (city). I hope the name of node will be changed to Lublin-North.
Ah! Now I understand. Thank you for the explanation.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:32 PM   #6880
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I noticed on the most recent map that the DSU was completed for the northern part of S11 near Koszalin, but I guess there won't be any movement on it for a while, right? Fairly low priority?
Pretty much correct. DSU is very important and if I am not mistaken it expires in 4 years so there will be movement before its expiration for sure. Key thing to remember is EU's budget for infrastructure for 2013-2020. If it meets or exceeds what we got last time there should be funds allocated for this particular expressway.
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