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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:53 AM   #6901
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Oh, come on, don't go that path... Success of others don't prohibit us from celebrating our evident successess in next couple of months.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 11:00 AM   #6902
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Agree. In last few years we made a great progress and I'm very happy of that. I'm talking about 90's and early 00's and I'm just trying to be objective, that's all. Cheers!
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Old October 13th, 2011, 11:08 AM   #6903
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The per capita car ownership in Poland is currently already comparable to the Netherlands and has already exceeded the United Kingdom, Ireland and Denmark. If current trends continue Poland will also pass Sweden, Lithuania, Spain and Belgium in terms of car ownership within a few years.
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Switek, you're right, but you also have to admit that in the 90's our goverment should expect increasing number of registered vechicles and overall traffic and do something to prepare our country to that. Yes, tourism needs good roads, but the other types of economy, especially expansive economy, need it too.
The main priorities for Poland were to gain political, economic and social stabilization in 1990's. In other words we had our own set of challenges.

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Oh, come on, don't go that path... Success of others don't prohibit us from celebrating our evident successess in next couple of months. I believe ex-Yugoslavia motorways appreciation thread is somewhere else
You're absolutely right. There's a Polish saying which fits to this "Better late than never". I'm really proud of the enormous progress done by Poland since 2007.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #6904
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I bet that, if you now asked Poland's previous PMs or Ministers of Transport/Infrastructure about passivity with the infrastructure projects after 1990, they would say it all had been well considered, as they were anticipating higher inflow of the EU funds after Poland's accession to the club.

Leaving jokes apart, I'm also delighted to see huge progress being made in the PL's road infrastructure development.

It shall be noted though that such progress is taking place when the Head of GDDKiA (General Directorate for National Roads & Highways) is a person, who in his previous career hadn't been directly related to construction/transport matters (Mr Lech Witecki). But he's probably a good manager and that's what counts.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:15 PM   #6905
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A1 motorway: Grudziądz - Toruń - tomorrow will be officially opened - short video about the motorway :

http://trojmiasto.gazeta.pl/trojmias...strady_A1.html

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Old October 13th, 2011, 01:42 PM   #6906
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A1 / D1 motorway
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Old October 13th, 2011, 02:12 PM   #6907
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A4 Debica - Rzeszow photos http://www.nowiny24.pl/apps/pbcs.dll...ON00/403127581
















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Old October 13th, 2011, 07:31 PM   #6908
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Wow! A1/D1 is starting to look really good at the border. Maybe they can open it 1+1 before the New Year?
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Old October 13th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #6909
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Impossible. The whole section is waiting for one problematic bridge (famous MA532), which is nowhere near completion. This is how it looked like a week ago (photo by RadoslawJ, more here):


It's going to be a small miracle if they finish it in time.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 07:59 PM   #6910
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Impossible. The whole section is waiting for one problematic bridge (famous MA532), which is nowhere near completion. This is how it looked like a week ago (photo by RadoslawJ ....

It's going to be a small miracle if they finish it in time.
That's a serious project management failure. I don't see how they can open the road before next summer.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 08:03 PM   #6911
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Where and what does that viaduct cross?
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Old October 13th, 2011, 08:27 PM   #6912
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This viadukt is a part of Mszana Interchange (A1/933). You can find visualization of this object here: http://www.alpine.pl/autostrada-a1-s...-mostu-ma-532/

Location : http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Mszana...olska&t=h&z=15

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Old October 13th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #6913
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That's a serious project management failure. I don't see how they can open the road before next summer.
Weren't the delays with work progress on this viaduct the main reason why Alpine Bau were kicked out from the project in 2009 or '10?
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Old October 13th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #6914
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This viadukt is a part of Mszana Interchange (A1/933).
It looks like the A1 could perhaps be opened from Świerklany to the 933, but it also looks like that would do very little to alleviate the current bottleneck.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #6915
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Where and what does that viaduct cross?
The whole viaduct ensemble crosses a small local brook but the main reason for the viaduct is to keep road inclination within spec. The terrain near Mszana has significant topography due to natural formation and due to sustained subsidence because of mining. I always wondered why anyone would be crazy enough to build a motorway right here when there are other, potentially easier, road alignments in the vicinity.

The viaduct is quite an engineering challenge because of its unusual and aggressive design. I won't digress into details, suffice it to say that its design and construction was a main bone of contention between Alpine & co and GDDKiA. MA532 is also a bit of a showpiece - see the visualisations - and I hope that someone has thought of suitable decorative lighting to top it all off.



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It looks like the A1 could perhaps be opened from Świerklany to the 933 ...
Most unlikely. Access to DW933 is only via MA532, as far as I know (and admittedly I don't know much).


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On a different note, the pictures of A2 look ravishing. Can't wait to give this stretch of A2 a spin at Vmax+10.


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Old October 14th, 2011, 02:31 AM   #6916
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The whole viaduct ensemble crosses a small local brook but the main reason for the viaduct is to keep road inclination within spec. The terrain near Mszana has significant topography due to natural formation and due to sustained subsidence because of mining. I always wondered why anyone would be crazy enough to build a motorway right here when there are other, potentially easier, road alignments in the vicinity.

The viaduct is quite an engineering challenge because of its unusual and aggressive design. I won't digress into details, suffice it to say that its design and construction was a main bone of contention between Alpine & co and GDDKiA. MA532 is also a bit of a showpiece - see the visualisations - and I hope that someone has thought of suitable decorative lighting to top it all off.
In my opinion designing such complicated and expensive viaduct was a big mistake. Poland has to build a lot of roads just to connect its major cities. We should use, as simple as possible standardized design for most of the bridges, viaducts and other structures. I don't care how fancy bridge on motorway looks like as long as it does the job.
Once we have major network ready we can have some fun with "signature" projects like the sorry viaduct in Mszana.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 10:30 AM   #6917
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In my opinion designing such complicated and expensive viaduct was a big mistake. Poland has to build a lot of roads just to connect its major cities. We should use, as simple as possible standardized design for most of the bridges, viaducts and other structures. I don't care how fancy bridge on motorway looks like as long as it does the job.
Once we have major network ready we can have some fun with "signature" projects like the sorry viaduct in Mszana.
Agree. We are going to have such beautiful building objects in such flat country.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 11:15 AM   #6918
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From : http://gddkia.gov.pl/article/9976/aw...ds-and-morways
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Award “Crystal of Public Tender” (“Kryształ Przetargów Publicznych”) granted to General Directorate for National Roads and Morways

General Directorate for National Roads and Motorways has received the award “Crystal of Public Tender 2011” for the best ordering party in the category “Investment influencing the improvement in quality of life of the citizens” for the execution of construction works related to the construction of Gołdap ring road along the national road no. 65.

Crystals of Public Tender are awards, which aim is promotion of popularisation of using the best practices and principles in the field of public procurement. These awards are received by the ordering parties, who conduct their proceedings in a clear manner not violating the rules of fair competition, leading to choice of the most advantageous bid. The award committee consist of specialists, being the greatest authorities in the field of public procurement in Poland - persons having a broad knowledge and wide experience.



Monthly magazine "Przetargi Publiczne" (Public Procurement Magazine) is the promoter of CRYSTALS OF PUBLIC TENDER.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 11:24 AM   #6919
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In my opinion designing such complicated and expensive viaduct was a big mistake. Poland has to build a lot of roads just to connect its major cities. We should use, as simple as possible standardized design for most of the bridges, viaducts and other structures. I don't care how fancy bridge on motorway looks like as long as it does the job.
Once we have major network ready we can have some fun with "signature" projects like the sorry viaduct in Mszana.
On the other hand this does separate Poland from southeast Europe, and I mean that in a positive way. Polish motorways and new bridges are much more aesthetic than elsewhere, especially compared to Romania and Bulgaria. As long as it doesn't cause significant additional cost or lengthy construction times I don't mind, in fact I would applaud it.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #6920
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I never realized, but there is more recent imagery of Warszawa under the "historical imagery" layer in Google Earth. The S2 route through southwest Warszawa is much better visible that way:

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