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Old December 5th, 2011, 10:30 PM   #7281
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I agree that the A18 is a likely candidate for funding in the EU's 2014-2020 budget.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #7282
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P.S.: IMHO, instead of signing Świecko (PL)(D) on the A2, they should sign Słubice (PL)(D) as the latter is the biggest town before Germany & the first is just a village without importance just aside of it ... Even for local tourism it'd be more interesting !
I noticed that too. Polish road signs are funny sometimes, because the distance signs will show 2-3 cities/towns up ahead, and one of them is often no more than an insignificant village located about 500kms away. I guess they have a policy of noting border towns, no matter how tiny they are??
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Old December 6th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #7283
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I guess they have a policy of noting border towns, no matter how tiny they are??
Exactly, as the last town on the road... even if there is no interchange.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 01:28 AM   #7284
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Old December 6th, 2011, 07:55 AM   #7285
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They are not signing "the town", they are signing Swiecko as a border crossing which is logical enough. People don't care about Swiecko, they care about where they are going to cross the border if they follow the road and they will do so at the Swiecko crossing and that's what they put on the signs.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:08 AM   #7286
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And if you want to use another border crossing than the road you managed to get on, you won't finy any.

These border crossing villages make no sense in this era of Schengen. Especially not from across the entire country, I can understand from the last major town, but from 500 - 800 km away?
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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #7287
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It depends... I can agree with your logic but Polish regulations are as they are.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:02 AM   #7288
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Polish regulations are as they are.
These regulations mandating bad signage can and should be fixed.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #7289
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It's just a matter of time I guess.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:23 AM   #7290
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I would agree that there are higher priorities than improving the regulation of road signs regarding border towns, but it's easy and the costs (including opportunity costs) are very low. I hope we don't have to wait many years for better signs.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #7291
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I wouldn't agree to say Poland has a bad signage. On the contrary, my point is: it is sometimes way too precise! Even if I agree that people are interested in the last point of the country.

Ex.: why sign, when entering Poland from Lithuania in Ogrodniki on DK16 (maybe it changed since 2003 , but there are lots of other examples like that) "Dolna Grupa" ? "Grudziądz" is more than enough.

Signing Słubice (PL)(D) from Poznań on (or even from Warsaw on) would be O.K. Why not signing Świecko (PL)(D) only from the Słubice A2 interchange ?
Same for Jędrzychowice (PL)(D) instead of Zgorzelec (PL)(D) on A4; and for Olszyna (PL)(D) on DK18 – why not sign Chociebuż/Cottbus/Chośebuz (D) ? (I know ChrisZwolle won’t really like that trilingual Polish/German/Sorbian one ), but maybe I will talk more about this on the "bilingual signs" thread
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:18 PM   #7292
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Today were signed 2 contracts for Lublin bypass (S12/S17/S19 ) with Dragados so soon we'll have 69 kilometres S12/S17 under construction in lubelskie voivodeship
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #7293
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You left out the best part: deadline is 24 months (December 2013). Really fast for a completely new motorway. Often you see 24 months for small projects (like interchanges), but not so much for entirely new routes like these
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:34 PM   #7294
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Also, the tender for extension of Trasa Armii Krajowej in Warsaw was announced.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:40 PM   #7295
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You left out the best part: deadline is 24 months (December 2013). Really fast for a completely new motorway. Often you see 24 months for small projects (like interchanges), but not so much for entirely new routes like these
I actually think this is a right thing to do, usually those deadlines are ridiculously long. If everything goes as expected, we'll have a new benchmark soon: A2 Warszawa-Łódź will have been built in about 20 months (construction has started in fall of 2010).
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:48 PM   #7296
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You left out the best part: deadline is 24 months (December 2013). Really fast for a completely new motorway. Often you see 24 months for small projects (like interchanges), but not so much for entirely new routes like these
Hmm it's a standard deadline for new build motorways and expressways in Poland. In many cases contractors finish all works before deadline (18-22 months) ,especially when winter is warm like in this year.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 12:23 AM   #7297
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Also, the tender for extension of Trasa Armii Krajowej in Warsaw was announced.
In which area/where is the tender for?

Personally I still dream about an S7, but probably not for this Christmas.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #7298
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Today were signed 2 contracts for Lublin bypass (S12/S17/S19 ) with Dragados so soon we'll have 69 kilometres S12/S17 under construction in lubelskie voivodeship.
I look forward to seeing red replace yellow on the next map.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 12:43 AM   #7299
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In which area/where is the tender for?
The blue section of S8 on this map, between already finished part in the west and the part U/C right now in the east:
http://ssc-mapa.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/nowa-mapa.png

The biggest challenge is actually reconstruction of the bridge, since it's the bridge with highest traffic in Warsaw (and probably in Poland) with over 150k AADT in 2005.
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The blue section of S8 on this map, between already finished part in the west and the part U/C right now in the east:
http://ssc-mapa.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/nowa-mapa.png

The biggest challenge is actually reconstruction of the bridge, since it's the bridge with highest traffic in Warsaw (and probably in Poland) with over 150k AADT in 2005.
Thanks, that makes perfect sense. That stretch is also quite poor, compared to the very nice new S8 parts. Obviously it going to take years before the tender turn into nice new asphalt.
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