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Old December 19th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #7361
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2025 shall be very late ! They should at least make an S46 as a single carriageway with a 100 km/h limit ...
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Old December 19th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #7362
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Look at much we must construct. There a lot of roads need to be build faster.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #7363
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the most horrible road I've ever driven in Poland (in terms of asphalt quality & wideness, traffic volumes & average speed) was the DK-46 Opole-Lubliniec-Częstochowa. They should really do something there !
Now it is much better.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 11:30 PM   #7364
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2025 shall be very late ! They should at least make an S46 as a single carriageway with a 100 km/h limit ...
If I had 1,000,000,000,000 euro, I would build it for you, but I would complete the S7 first.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 12:26 AM   #7365
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Now it is much better.
Now S-46 Opole-Częstochowa is almost in perfect condition. I can't understand anyone complaining about the pavement or anything else; maybe that it's not a proper motorway, but anyway it's a real pleasure driving it nowadays
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Old December 20th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #7366
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There is no such thing as S46. Never was and never will be (according to the current plans anyway). And the road 46 is not even remotely a "proper motorway".
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Old December 20th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #7367
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I think that the biggest problem with DK 46 is that it is totally inadequate to the traffic that it holds. It's mostly narrow, curvy and passes thru many villages, never ending trucks overtaking is a nightmare over there
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Old December 20th, 2011, 03:31 PM   #7368
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So use combination of A4/DK1 instead.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 03:39 PM   #7369
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You advise people to take a 100 kilometer detour?
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Old December 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM   #7370
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It's possible if they must choose the "fast" route, because, for their own reason, smooth and little crowded DK is too unconfortable for them.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:37 PM   #7371
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@ChrisZwolle, Sasza, drowningman666
- each time I drive from Warsaw to the Nysa region, I drive through the Katowice agglomeration. Longer distance, but much more secure & less stressing.

But I agree with mcarling fully - S7 must be finished first ! Just as A3, S8 from A1 to Syców and S17 Warsaw - Lublin. Those are roads desperately needing to be widened. If it shall be toll motorways instead of free expressways, then so be it. The lives of thousands of people has no price ...
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:49 PM   #7372
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I agree with mcarling fully - S7 must be finished first ! Just as A3, S8 from A1 to Syców and S17 Warsaw - Lublin. Those are roads desperately needing to be widened.
I would say the S8 should be a priority all the way through Warsaw at least to Ostrów Mazowiecka, but I think the S7 is more urgent -- even though I personally use the S8 more. Anyway, I don't want to sound like a whiner. I'm quite happy with the rate of recent progress. Every time I drive across Poland I find a route with a stretch of new highway that didn't exist the last time I drove across. That means taking a somewhat different route every time.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:58 PM   #7373
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True! But you know how it is: the more you have the more you want A key to fast progress ?

P.S.: if these priorities were personal to me, I'd choose the A2, but it's already being built
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Old December 20th, 2011, 11:23 PM   #7374
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if these priorities were personal to me, I'd choose the A2, but it's already being built
If I were making funding decisions on behalf of the Polish government, the A2 between Łódź and Warsaw would be my top priority, followed by the A1 between Toruń and Katowice, then the S7 between Warsaw and Kraków, and finally the S8 from Syców to Białystok. However, if I were making funding decisions on behalf of the EU, my top priority would the A1 to the CZ border, followed by the A4 to the UA border, the A18 (second profile), the S3 to the CZ border, and then the S61 to the LT border. Of course, many of these are already funded.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #7375
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The priority #1 in Poland should be the construction of an outer ring road for Warsaw in my freaking view. I guess most of you haven't traveled on DK50 and haven't seen heavy traffic in action, poor rounabouts in Góra Kalwaria and other crossings handling this massive flow, cause you closed down truck transit through Warsaw completely. And there isn't a proper detour in the Northern part for those who are coming from LT to Germany, you have to make several pointless turns, drive through several villages/towns, waste fuel at red lights in Legionowo town and so on. If I'm not mistaken, then Warsaw is the only capital in EU (with a population of 2 mio!), that has no proper ring road. Building A2 is meh, I've driven several times on it, it was always empty. Most peaople don't want to pay, so they use good old DK2 instead.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 11:54 PM   #7376
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The priority #1 in Poland should be the construction of an outer ring road for Warsaw in my freaking view.
Unfortunately in Poles' perception, Warsaw is already overprivileged and we do not deserve a ring road. But whatever the reasoning, right now it is very unlikely S2 and S17 around Warsaw will be finished any time soon. Finishing S2 alone will cost over 1,5 billion EUR and that's just 19km of new road, while the same amount of money would buy 150-200km of expressway elsewhere. It's a tough political decision to spend so much money on the capital city.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 12:09 AM   #7377
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The priority #1 in Poland should be the construction of an outer ring road for Warsaw in my freaking view. I guess most of you haven't traveled on DK50 and haven't seen heavy traffic in action, poor rounabouts in Góra Kalwaria and other crossings handling this massive flow, cause you closed down truck transit through Warsaw completely. And there isn't a proper detour in the Northern part for those who are coming from LT to Germany, you have to make several pointless turns, drive through several villages/towns, waste fuel at red lights in Legionowo town and so on. If I'm not mistaken, then Warsaw is the only capital in EU (with a population of 2 mio!), that has no proper ring road. Building A2 is meh, I've driven several times on it, it was always empty. Most peaople don't want to pay, so they use good old DK2 instead.
I would certainly vote for an upgrade of the ring DK50/DK62 around Warsaw to expressroad or a complete new s-class ring. It has certainly improved, but the trucks does make it a bit of a pain. There has been some old plans for such a ring, but it is probably still in the drawer somewhere.

Personally I agree that the planning should try to work out corridors, especially to trigger some of the EU funds over the coming years.

Does anyone know the current priorities for the road network?
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Does anyone know the current priorities for the road network?
General strategy can be found here:
http://www.transport.gov.pl/files/0/...am20112015.pdf

A general list of priorities is on page 23. Attachment 1a (page 39-40) is a list of sections that are intended to be started as soon as possible, preferably not later than 2013. Attachment 2 (page 41-43) lists sections that are planned for "after 2013" (probably way after).
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General strategy can be found here:
http://www.transport.gov.pl/files/0/...am20112015.pdf

A general list of priorities is on page 23. Attachment 1a (page 39-40) is a list of sections that are intended to be started as soon as possible, preferably not later than 2013. Attachment 2 (page 41-43) lists sections that are planned for "after 2013" (probably way after).
Thanks, Toonczyk. That is interesting reading, and the priorities do not sounds overly ambitious (= it could actually happen).

However, I am a little puzzled that both S1 and S2, as well as A1 and A2 are on the list.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 08:35 PM   #7380
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Warsaw's outer bypass will be very hard to make - too many green areas nearby. Las Kabacki (South), Kampinoski Park Narodowy (West) & some forrest also in Eastern Warsaw. They'll certainly be very costly, but they'll be necessary.

About DK50: I prefer driving through Warsaw than driving through that road. It is just overcrowded ...

& to mcarling & RipleyLV: the S61 should really be a priority too as it shall be the only expressway/motorway connection with the Baltics ...
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