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Old December 24th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #7401
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Dutch motorways were built in a time where the speed limit was 100 km/h. Most of them have been upgraded, but some motorways were built on the cheap from the 1980's to recent years, which includes A50 Eindhoven - Oss which is indeed one of those relatively substandard routes. Also note that the Netherlands is much more densely populated, which means straight alignments are often not possible.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 04:45 PM   #7402
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Honestly I doubt that standard vary that much to make man be able to feel differences.
I think that in the car you can feel the difference,
When I drove S1 Cieszyn - Bielsko and then A4 the difference can
be sometimes very big.
On A4 you can keep same speed on strights and curves on S1 not
always
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Old December 24th, 2011, 05:24 PM   #7403
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But there is only a network of them in central Europe.
How about autovias in Spain? This is huge network.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 05:40 PM   #7404
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Autovías are motorways, not expressways.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 06:22 PM   #7405
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Honestly I doubt that standard vary that much to make man be able to feel differences.
Don't go to extremes. Polish espressways are not that super, the point is they usually go on flat areas with slight curves.

However, expressways are just weird slavic invention. It would be better to sign them as m'ways, set general limit to 120 km/h and increase it optionally on certain sections (I mean on official m'ways A1, A2, A4)
First of all, you should have a look on the "best country in Europe to drive on motorways". There are more & more opinions like that on motorways, & it's true some expressways like S3 or S7 sections really deserve to be marked as motorways.

Furthermore - following your logic - 120km/h (the current default speed limit on expressways) is much too low a default speed limit for such motorways ! You want people to fall asleep while driving ? Abiding by the current speed limit (140 km/h) on the straight & wide Polish A2 is already horrible, so imagine driving 120 km/h on it ! Polish autostrady are not like Spanish autopistas which have sharp curves ! & except the Polish S6 near the Tricity and the S1 from Cieszyn to the Katowice agglomeration, I don't know much expressways with sharp curves in Poland.

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Autovías are motorways, not expressways.
Not exactly. Autovías are expressways, whereas Autopistas are motorways. But just as in the Czech Republic, Slovakia or Belgium, expressways & motorways have identical speed limits.

Moreover, the Autovía word is specific to Spain. There are no other Autovías allover the Spanish-speaking world (correct me if I'm wrong).

The similarity between Autovías and Drogi ekspresowe is that they're free, whereas the Spanish Autopistas & the Polish Autostrady have tolls.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 06:37 PM   #7406
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Not exactly. Autovías are expressways, whereas Autopistas are motorways. But just as in the Czech Republic, Slovakia or Belgium, expressways & motorways have identical speed limits.

Moreover, the Autovía word is specific to Spain. There are no other Autovías allover the Spanish-speaking world (correct me if I'm wrong).

The similarity between Autovías and Drogi ekspresowe is that they're free, whereas the Spanish Autopistas & the Polish Autostrady have tolls.
Actually this describes the situation before around the year 2000. Nowadays autovías are full motorways, they banned all slow traffic on the new and reconstructed routes and they both have the exact same speed limit of 120 km/h. Only a very small portion of the 1980's generation autovías do not meet motorway requirements. But this is less than 10% of the 14.000 kilometer network.

Autovía is a very common word throughout Latin-America, but these do indeed refer to expressways (the definition of an expressway in Latin-America can also include intersections and roundabouts).
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Old December 24th, 2011, 08:30 PM   #7407
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Yesterday I was going in taxi from Nijmegen to Eindhoven
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Polish expressways easilly would be clasiffied in Holland as motorways
OT: Neither Nijmegen nor Eindhoven are in Holland :P

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Old December 24th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #7408
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I think that in the car you can feel the difference,
When I drove S1 Cieszyn - Bielsko and then A4 the difference can
be sometimes very big.
On A4 you can keep same speed on strights and curves on S1 not
always
I meant the difference between flat A2 in NL and flat S3 in PL

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First of all, you should have a look on the "best country in Europe to drive on motorways". There are more & more opinions like that on motorways, & it's true some expressways like S3 or S7 sections really deserve to be marked as motorways.
S7 is not a case in point as it's just expanded old GP-class road that serves both transit and local traffic. About S3 - fully agree.

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Furthermore - following your logic - 120km/h (the current default speed limit on expressways) is much too low a default speed limit for such motorways !
You missed further part of my post.
Well, constant 120 km/h is as boring as constant 140 km/h + going 140 there's more risk to lose control or just to do something properly in case of situation. I agree that 120 km/h would be too low. But 130 km/h was an optimal limit (I condemn that 140 km/h have went into effect just like that)

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The similarity between Autovías and Drogi ekspresowe is that they're free, whereas the Spanish Autopistas & the Polish Autostrady have tolls.
It's just matter of organisation. No point to mention toll or toll free while comparing technical issues.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #7409
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OT: Neither Nijmegen nor Eindhoven are in Holland :P

(Chris will probably be quick to explain)
Carrying on this OT (me being not completely sober) - it's an easy mistake to make, in Polish it's hard not to confuse things. Netherlands is called "Holandia" in Polish.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #7410
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Carrying on this OT (me being not completely sober) - it's an easy mistake to make, in Polish it's hard not to confuse things. Netherlands is called "Holandia" in Polish.
The Netherlands is also frequently called Holland in English, though diplomats in most English-speaking countries frown on this because some people take offense.
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Old December 25th, 2011, 03:30 AM   #7411
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Autovías are motorways, not expressways.
Autopistas are motorways and autovias are expressways as far as I know. But difference between the new modern autovias and autopistas is almost nonexistent. In Poland we have the same situation, with some of our S-roads having almost the same specs like motorways.
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Old December 25th, 2011, 12:31 PM   #7412
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In Poland we have the same situation, with some of our S-roads having almost the same specs like motorways.
I think all S-roads 2+2 (or more) have almost the same specs like motorways. In many coutries (CZ, SK, A, I) it might have been signed motorway
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Old December 25th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #7413
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How many times are we going to repeat this statement all over again?
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Old December 25th, 2011, 03:11 PM   #7414
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And from April 2012 it will reach Katowice airport
I meant between interchanges Gliwice Maciejów (Maciejów) and Zabrze Północ (Wieszowa) signs directs actually only to Tarnowskie Góry, like major city by this motorway (which is builiding as the main north-south road in Poland) - it made me proud, but falsely and only for a moment

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In many coutries (CZ, SK, A, I) it might have been signed motorway
I think not absolutely - many Italian superstradas are too narrow and curvy to sign them as autostradas, but it's very good that they are and they discharge their function very pretty.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 07:16 PM   #7415
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S17 section Kurów-Dąbrowica near Lublin under construction (photos from 18th december 2011):



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Old December 26th, 2011, 10:45 PM   #7416
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dude, relax on those impressive groundworks...
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Old December 27th, 2011, 03:23 AM   #7417
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How can I do it?
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Old December 27th, 2011, 04:46 AM   #7418
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simple, edit your post.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #7419
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I can't see the reasons to do it and I don't know how can I relax on my own photos?
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Old December 27th, 2011, 12:39 PM   #7420
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Strzala, I'm sorry but the pics posted by yourself are fairly dull and boring, as they show mainly groundworks at this stage of the project, as Sponsor already mentioned. Not to mention that posting just 5 of them (instead of dozens) would do.
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