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Old December 28th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #7441
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They weren't signed yet - will be on January 5th.

Usually works start within a month, but because they have tocut al the trees by March 15th, I suppose they will start within just a few days.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 01:27 PM   #7442
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I'm a bit surprised to read that a DŚU has been taken for the S19 Rzeszów - Slovak border. As far as I know, this section does not have a high priority, or am I wrong? With which specs will the S19 be constructed? 2x2 lanes?

How long is a DŚU valid?
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Old December 29th, 2011, 02:47 PM   #7443
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It's valid 4 years and can be extended by another 2.

However, it is easier to take another DŚU when we have all the documents for the old one. That is why this is done now.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #7444
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Rumor has it that someone in Brussels decided that Rzeszów to Prešov should be a priority, so it seems that Poland might be able to get a bit more EU funding if they agree to build the S19 from Rzeszów to the CZ border than if they don't. I expect to see evidence of similar pressure on Slovakia to build the R4 from Prešov to the PL border.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 08:22 PM   #7445
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I think it's an important corridor, linking the Baltics and Poland with Romania and Bulgaria.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 08:22 PM   #7446
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Old December 29th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #7447
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I think it's an important corridor, linking the Baltics and Poland with Romania and Bulgaria.
I agree 100%. Moreover, last summer I went through that path. Lots of cars & quite a lot of lorries ...

P.S.: @Rusonaldo - 12 bridges for the A1/A2 exchange ? Wow ! Impressive !
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Old December 29th, 2011, 09:26 PM   #7448
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I think the classic approach to motorways in central Europe has focused a bit too much on east-west connections, or better; not enough on north-south routes. There are close to no completed north-south links in central Europe, for instance Wroclaw - Wien, or Praha - Linz, or Kraków - Budapest, or Rzeszów - Oradea. All of them have significant missing links (in fact there are more missing than completed kilometers for most of these corridors).
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Old December 29th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #7449
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I think the classic approach to motorways in central Europe has focused a bit too much on east-west connections, or better; not enough on north-south routes. There are close to no completed north-south links in central Europe, for instance Wroclaw - Wien, or Praha - Linz, or Kraków - Budapest, or Rzeszów - Oradea. All of them have significant missing links (in fact there are more missing than completed kilometers for most of these corridors).
Once again I agree 100% ! We can also mention the Via Baltica which seems all but forgotten and which would be the only connection between the Baltics & the rest of the EU via expressway/motorway !

Surprisingly (or not), S3 seems not to be a priority for the Lower Silesian voivodship (contrary to the Lubusz voivodship). Although they have an excuse: the A8/S8 from Wrocław to the Northeast ...
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Old December 29th, 2011, 09:48 PM   #7450
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I think the classic approach to motorways in central Europe has focused a bit too much on east-west connections, or better; not enough on north-south routes. There are close to no completed north-south links in central Europe, for instance Wroclaw - Wien, or Praha - Linz, or Kraków - Budapest, or Rzeszów - Oradea. All of them have significant missing links (in fact there are more missing than completed kilometers for most of these corridors).
Chris, take a look at traffic data. The economic heart of Europe is in the west, not south. Thus, east-west connections were, are and will be more important.

If there is a single north-south connection in Poland which has a substantial traffic it is thanks to local / metropolitan / regional / national traffic, not international.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #7451
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I know that, but I think it can also be attributed to the fact there are basically only 2 major east-west routes to connect all of Poland to western Europe (A2 & A4), while there are maybe 6 or 7 major north-south routes. If traffic on these routes would increase by only 10 000 vehicles, you're suddenly in need of 6 or 7 new motorways...

Traffic volumes are typically the lowest in border regions, and often truck traffic shares are high in those areas, regularly up to 40 or even 50% of all traffic.

I think there will be an increase of north-south traffic in central Europe, especially beyond 2020, that makes international north-south motorways necessary too.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #7452
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Chris, take a look at traffic data. The economic heart of Europe is in the west, not south. Thus, east-west connections were, are and will be more important.

If there is a single north-south connection in Poland which has a substantial traffic it is thanks to local / metropolitan / regional / national traffic, not international.
I agree with you for the present. Not for the future. The development of the routes ChrisZwolle and I mentioned above is the key for major development of Northern to Southern European exchanges.

Moreover, did you see the growing quantity of Serbian lorries between Miskolc (H) and Rzeszów (PL) ? The enormous quantity of Polish cars and lorries and Ukrainian minibuses between Miskolc (H) and Prešov (SK) ?
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:07 PM   #7453
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Also, when you look at the TEN-T projects in the region you notice only two north - south corridors (Katowice - Krakow into Brno Wien- Bratislava).

The quiet traffic can be reasond quite easily with the forreign trade (here we talk about goods) directions, its either import from China (NL) and west going into the region, or export going from the region to the west, since we talk mostly about manufacture goods, the motorways are the best way to transport these things. There is not so much foreign trade going on in the region itself in the north - south direction.

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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:15 PM   #7454
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I've driven both of these routes: Katowice <-> Brno and Krakow <-> Bratislava. The former will be ok this coming spring and the latter will probably be quite poor between Zilina and Krakow for years to come.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:18 PM   #7455
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(...) while there are maybe 6 or 7 major north-south routes.
1) Wrocław - Prague,
2) Upper Silesia - Brno - Bratislava,
3) Kraków - Bratislava,
4) Rzeszów - Presov.
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If traffic on these routes would increase by only 10 000 vehicles, you're suddenly in need of 6 or 7 new motorways...
10 000 vehicles for a motorway / expressway?
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #7456
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I can also think of Wroclaw - Brno - Wien and Gliwice - Ostrava + Katowice - Ostrava + Katowice - Zilina.

Most of these routes carry between 5.000 and 10.000 vehicles per day outside the cities. If traffic increases to 15.000 - 20.000 vehicles you surely need something better than a two-lane road. I prefer the construction of 2+1 roads in the 2015 - 2025 timeframe which can be expanded to a 2x2 motorway if traffic volumes require it.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:28 PM   #7457
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@ GROBIN

Yes. This Interchange have 12 bridge
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:35 PM   #7458
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Ostrava - Zilina I/11 is built as 1+1 with reserve for 2x2, I68 planned as 2x2, or the connection already exists as 2x2 on the Czech side (R56, R48). The I/11 should do with 20 000 per day. Anyway I expect that after the Polish - Slovak S69 D3 connection is built then the need for 2x2 will be much lower.

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Old December 30th, 2011, 02:04 PM   #7459
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Anyway I expect that after the Polish - Slovak S69 D3 connection is built then the need for 2x2 will be much lower.
When will this connection be built?
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Old December 30th, 2011, 02:37 PM   #7460
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When will this connection be built?
Bielsko-Biała - Žilina S69/D3 will probably be finished about 2020.
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