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Old January 1st, 2012, 03:32 PM   #7481
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Oh yeah.. what a success.... Just look at Spain - almost 20 000 km!!! of the highways and motorways for 46 million pple....
Yes know , even Portugal network seems to be better then British as well,
2000 km for 10 milion people,
What`s your opinion about British network ? Is it below European avarage ?
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Old January 1st, 2012, 04:56 PM   #7482
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It's very old map... just look at S6 and S11 near Kołobrzeg
What do you mean? It's map based on governmental plans till 2020, not on actual DSU/Tender/In construction routine. It's not old, it's futuristic
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Old January 1st, 2012, 06:37 PM   #7483
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I don't see the point of the comparison with Britain. In my opinion, it might be enlightening to compare Poland with another country that is similar in [i]both[/b] population and land area. That's not Britain, which as an island is even less comparable to Poland.
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Old January 1st, 2012, 07:43 PM   #7484
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Hi there, been lurking here for months. But decided to say hello. (I live in the UK for some time now, but I am polish).
Yes, the comparison Poland - Great Britain is not the best one, as there is almost no through traffic in the UK ( maybe some to Ireland, but there are ferries directly to France).
Also, UK, as a whole has like 2/3 land area of Poland. It is however stretched out, but most of population lives in England which is about 40% land area of Poland and has population of over 50 million people, mostly around major cities.

Please remember however, that Britain has lots of A roads, which where they have been upgraded to dual carriageways (2+2) (especially 'trunk' roads - main transport corridors), and once the upgrades have been done not in 50-s, 60-s, then they have grade separated junctions, and once they are 2+2, the speed limit is the same as on British motorways - 70mph.
Unfortunately I cannot find the length of 2+2 A roads in the UK, but I guess it's way more than 2500km.
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Old January 1st, 2012, 07:46 PM   #7485
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The population of Britain is not very spread out. You can connect maybe 60 - 70% of the population with just 3 or 4 motorways. M1+M4+M5+M6 already serve a lot of England's population.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 06:10 PM   #7486
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Some news from GDDKiA Website:

From: http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/en/a/10354/...a-longer-again
21-12-2011
The ring road of Kock and Wola Skromowska within S19 route was opened to traffic

Since Wednesday 21st December, drivers can use the ring road of Kock and Wola Skromowska constituting a part of the expressway S19. Nearly 8 kilometres long route will be the first marked section of the expressway in the Lubelskie Region.

The contract for the construction of the route was signed on 4th August 2009. The Contractor – Strabag, had 32 months for its completion (the term expires on 4th April 2012). Works on the main road were completed before winter, which allowed to obtain the permit for use earlier. As a result, drivers will benefit from the new route for a few months before the expected term. The contractor will yet conduct cleanup works outside the carriageways of the expressway.

The ring road of Kock and Wola Skromowska is the second in the Lubelskie Region part of the future S19 expressway linking the border crossings: with Belarus in Kuźnica Białostocka and with Slovakia in Barwinek and Białystok, Lublin and Rzeszów. Previously, was opened to traffic the ring road of Miedzyrzec Podlaski but it is the ring road of Kock and Wola Skromowska which is the first section marked as an express route.



Within the investment the one-carriageway expressway with a length of 7.87 km, with two junctions enabling access to Kock and Wola Skromowska was created. The route crosses the valley of two rivers: Wieprz and Tyśmienica which was associated with the construction of the bridges. Over the Wieprz River there was built a crossing of a length of over 220 m, and the edges of Tyśmienica links the bridge of a length of nearly 125 m. The engineering objects passing over the express route were constructed in the target system taking into account the addition of the second carriageway. Nearly 12 km of the access roads serving the local traffic were also built.

The whole investment cost nearly 223 million PLN, in which the co-financing from the European Fund of Regional Development under the Operational Programme Infrastructure and Environment will be about 176 million PLN.

From: http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/en/a/10354/...a-longer-again
A-1 in Silesia longer again

A-1 motorway junction "Zabrze North" (Wieszowa) - "Gliwice Maciejów" of a length of 8 km has been put into use.

A-1 motorway junction "Zabrze North" (Wieszowa) - "Gliwice Maciejów"

• It is the southern part of the 20.1 kilometres section "Piekary Śląskie" - "Gliwice Maciejów", that the Contractor constructing it is a company Dragados / Supervision Arcadis.
• Together with this section in Silesia will be already about 50 km of A1 motorway (certainly in one piece) of the 92 kilometres being built by GDDKiA Branch in Katowice.
• The contractual term for the completion of the construction of the above mentioned section - on 28.09.2012.
• All A1 motorway Pyrzowice – the State border, we plan to put into operation in the spring of 2012.
• The length of the segment to be opened: 8.06 kilometres
• 2 road junctions "Zabrze West" (Czekanów) (national road No. 78), Zabrze North (Wieszowa) (national road No. 78 and national road No. 94).
• 11 objects: 3 road objects over the motorway, 8 within the motorway.
• The value of the contract for 20.1 km - PLN 1258 million (gross).

From : http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/en/a/10355/...ntirely-opened

22-12-2011
The ring road of Nowogard within S6 route entirely opened

The second carriageway of the ring road of Nowogard of a length of 9.41 km opened to traffic. The target organization of traffic will be introduced on the route, all the junctions of the ring road will be fully put into operation. Since the end of October this year on the basis of the temporary traffic organisation one carriageway of the ring road was in operation, the main entrance and exit of Nowogard was a junction Nowogard North. After opening the second carriageway the elements of the temporary traffic organisation will be being disassembled, thus we appeal to drivers for caution.

Nowogard for many years was one of the places where the drivers were losing a lot of time standing in the traffic jams which were increasing especially during the holiday season. National Road No. 6 leading from Szczecin to Gdańsk ran right through the city centre. A busy road also caused a nuisance for the inhabitants of Nowogard. To change this situation and move the transit traffic out of Nowogard in April 2010 began the construction of the ring road.



The ring road of Nowogard has a length of over 9 kilometres, it is the two-carriageway expressway with two lanes in each direction. The new route bypasses the city from the northwest. The connection with other roads ensure the 3 road junctions, two at the entrances to the National Road No. 6 (the junctions Nowogard West in the Olchowa district and Nowogard East in the Wojcieszyn district) and the junction at the village Warnkowo, which will communicate the road ring with the regional road No. 106. The ring road has many safety facilities to reduce its impact, acoustic screens, culverts to allow migration of animals, and sewage together with grit chamber system and oil materials separator, separating grids.

The construction of the ring road of Nowogard within S6 road is co-financed by the European Union within the European Fund of Regional Development under the Operational Programme Infrastructure and Environment. The total cost of the project amounts to 228,000,000.00 PLN. The co-financing from the EU funds amounts to 185,691,228.96 PLN.

length: 9.41 km
class of the road: S
design speed of the road: 100 km / h
width of the carriageway: 2 x (2 x 3.5 m)
width of the emergency lane 2 x 2.50 m
width of the median: 4.0 m
road junctions: 3
viaducts: 9
acoustic screens: 2.2 km

From : http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/en/a/10356/...oad-of-Leknica

22-12-2011

The drivers can now drive the ring road of Łęknica

From today you can use the newly built ring road of Łęknica within the national road No. 12. It is less than 3.5 kilometers and cost 70 million PLN.

The ring road of Łęknica, with the new section of the road on the German side which forms an extension of this road, will allow moving the intensive transit traffic from the centre of Łęknica and Krauschwitz located on the left bank of the Nysa Łużycka River. It will also result in its removal from the borders of the Mużakowski Park, entered on 2nd May 2005 on the UNESCO list of the cultural heritage, which is one of the finest examples of the garden art of the nineteenth century in Europe.

The task was, among others the bridge of a length of 180 m connecting the banks of the Nysa Łużycka River on the Polish and German side. Also the 700m of acoustic screens was made to protect the existing buildings in the vicinity of the road. Four collective roads were made of a total length of 600m, modernized was the section of about 720 m of length of an existing road.

In order to benefit from the existing bike path on the German side its extension on the Polish side was built on the section of a length of approximately 400m.

The area, on which the ring road is located was full of surprises. One of them cost two months. The road was scheduled to be put in use in October. However, after the earthworks began it was found that in one place the Contractor encountered shooting up water source, which prevented further work on the ring road. The need for changes in the design in this area have caused the delays.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #7487
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Is there a map of Polish speed limits on A/S-roads?
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Old January 4th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #7488
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Is there a map of Polish speed limits on A/S-roads?
There is no much to know A - 140, S - 120 (100 on single carriageway), and there are some exception near big cities (just like in all countries). For example 110 limit on three lane part of A8.

There is also big exception A4 Krzyżowa-Wrocław with 110 limit due to lack of hard shoulder.

Also there is no much law enforcement on A/S roads (patrols, radars), so you can push the limit a little bit if you like. I'm not encourage to braking the law! :P
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Old January 5th, 2012, 02:05 AM   #7489
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No map, but there are listings with most speed limits: www.motorways-exitlists.com/europe/pl/poland.htm
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Old January 5th, 2012, 02:09 AM   #7490
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Also there is no much law enforcement on A/S roads (patrols, radars), so you can push the limit a little bit if you like. I'm not encourage to braking the law! :P
Oh man, I wish there was lax enforcement on our highways.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 05:12 PM   #7491
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Today contracts have been signed for remaining S-8 expressway sections between Łódź - Wroclaw.

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Nr  | Opis                         | Etap                                      | ZRID | Pikietaż                |
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  I | S8 Syców - Kępno             | W budowie - Mota-Engil       (28.10.2013) | Tak  |  54+906,82 -  70+200,00 | 
 II | S8 Kępno (w) - Wieruszów (w) | W budowie - Mota-Engil       (28.10.2013) | Tak  |  70+200,00 -  86+800,00 | 
III | S8 Wieruszów - Walichnowy    | W budowie - Pol-Aqua         (28.10.2013) | Tak  |  86+800,00 -  99+937,00 | 
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  1 | S8 węzeł Walichnowy          | W budowie - Budimex          (15.03.2013) | Tak  |  99+937,00 - 101+972,92 | 
  2 | S8 Walichnowy - Złoczew (w)  | W budowie - Hermann Kirchner (05.04.2014) | Tak  | 101+972,92 - 120+961,30 | 
  4 | S8 Złoczew - Sieradz Pd. (w) | W budowie - Strabag          (05.04.2014) | Tak  | 120+961,30 - 140+552,05 | 
  5 | S8 Sieradz Pd. - Łask        | W budowie - Pol-Aqua         (05.04.2014) | Tak  | 140+552,05 - 174+200,00 | 
  6 | S8 Łask (w) - Róża (w)       | W budowie - Pol-Aqua         (05.01.2014) | Tak  | 174+200,00 - 183+350,00 | 
  8 | S8 Róża - Łódź Południe      | W budowie - Budimex          (05.01.2014) | Tak  | 183+350,00 - 202+700,00 | 
  9 | S8 węzeł Łódź Południe       | W budowie - Skanska          (05.01.2014) | Tak  | 202+700,00 - 204+000,00 | 
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  3 | DK12 łącznik pod Sieradzem   | W budowie - PRDiM Sieradz    (05.04.2014) | Tak  |   0+000,00 -   6+072,88 | 
  7 | S14 Róża - Dobroń            | W budowie - Pol-Aqua         (05.01.2014) | Tak  |  76+479,94 -  79+800,00 | 
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Having signed the remaining contracts, the works are expected to be carried out on whole section Wroclaw - Łódź.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 05:14 PM   #7492
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Which means there is currently approximately 335 kilometers of S8 under construction, wow
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Old January 5th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #7493
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Which means there is currently approximately 335 kilometers of S8 under construction, wow
Impressing huh? No other European country has currently more highways & expressways under construction than Poland does
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Impressing huh? No other European country has currently more highways & expressways under construction than Poland does
The big question remains - how many contracts will be signed in 2012....
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Old January 5th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #7495
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The big question remains - how many contracts will be signed in 2012....
Very few. Part of Warsaw bypass, and... that could be it.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #7496
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Impressing huh? No other European country has currently more highways & expressways under construction than Poland does
Yes, it is impressive, though Poland is the most populous and geographically largest of the member states which joined the EU since 1980. Road construction has been a recent priority in part because of Euro 2012. I wish the pace would continue for another decade or more.

It would be interesting to compare the number of kilometers of highways and expressways under construction on a per capita basis and on a per square kilometer basis.

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Old January 5th, 2012, 10:49 PM   #7497
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No map, but there are listings with most speed limits: www.motorways-exitlists.com/europe/pl/poland.htm
Thanks! That is what I was looking for a while.

So, according to this website, in the UK there are 3325 km of Motorways, and 4114 km of dual carriageways (that including 330 km of Ax(M) roads, so main roads upgraded to motorway standards).
I would say that 3/4 of those dual carriageways have been built with grade separated junctions and are comparable to expressways in Poland.

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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:19 PM   #7498
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Impressing huh? No other European country has currently more highways & expressways under construction than Poland does

yes, impressing, but not the way you expected ...

it just means we are very, very behind the rest of the west europe.

fortunately we try hard, but still we are not even in half-way.

the scary thing is the contracts which have been lately signed close the motorway boom in poland. present contracts (signed up to 2012) will create motorway map of poland as of 2020.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 12:11 AM   #7499
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There will certainly be a slowdown, but I doubt there will be a complete stop of contract signing until 2020. The condition sine qua none for that will be the European financing ...
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yes, impressing, but not the way you expected ...

it just means we are very, very behind the rest of the west europe.

fortunately we try hard, but still we are not even in half-way.

the scary thing is the contracts which have been lately signed close the motorway boom in poland. present contracts (signed up to 2012) will create motorway map of poland as of 2020.
You’re exaggerating, by the end of 2015 Poland will have had a quite reasonable A & S network, obviously we could say that’s not enough and we’re still far behind Western Europe but in my opinion most of visitors will appreciate that so much has been done instead of how much more still could be done. We could be only proud of the fact that in crisis times we’re still able to be building so many km of fast roads. By comparison look at countries about the same size as Poland e.g. Romania, how many roads they build? They too are progressing but not as fast as we are. I would suggest you looking at the whole thing more optimistically instead of spotting only backwardness.
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