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Old January 10th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #7541
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Though, I`m glad if the situation has improved this much since that time
That's the whole point! 2007.. pfff old times

I can visualize it for you. Open this link: http://stadiony.klszarak.org/scc_a_s.swf and click on years at bottom right. Future prediction on this map base only on signed contracts.
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A few graphs to visualize the progress:


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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #7543
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That's the whole point! 2007.. pfff old times

I can visualize it for you. Open this link: http://stadiony.klszarak.org/scc_a_s.swf and click on years at bottom right. Future prediction on this map base only on signed contracts.
Thanks for the link, kooba
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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #7544
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Both Poland & Romania need to increase their pace of construction.

Even combined, this number of motorways is significantly less than that of former Yugoslavia - which has well over 2,500km of motorways, including 250-300km or so that opened last year.
Same old story comes again.. Nobody speaks we have enough of them.But if you take a close look at the development you "must" see in 2014 there will be roughly 2500km more motorway/expressway km than 10 years before(2004).

Crazy Serb, tell me 2 things, please: 1. how this progress in last 10 years looks like in f. Yugoslavia and what was the number in 2004? 2. how big share would take Serbia in this cake, cause I assume that Croatia has quite a significant impact on the figures , that you're bringing up?

I also join to wish to all Romanian people that they will get the speed up of constructions as well. If you triple the number in next 3 years, you surely will.

I wish , I could soon reach beautiful Romanian mountains and coast without a night spent in hotel, down in Hungary
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #7545
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Also note that Poland did a tremendous job overhauling thousands of kilometers of non-motorways. Road quality improved dramatically in the past 5 years.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #7546
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Both Poland & Romania need to increase their pace of construction.

Even combined, this number of motorways is significantly less than that of former Yugoslavia - which has well over 2,500km of motorways, including 250-300km or so that opened last year.

good evening CrazySerb,

I am very curious, why wyou mentioned former Yugoslavia in your comparison. the present countries which formed Yugoslavia in the past are now completely different with different issues, different geopolitic orientations.

could you elaborate it ?
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #7547
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I also join to wish to all Romanian people that they will get the speed up of constructions as well. If you triple the number in next 3 years, you surely will.

I wish , I could soon reach beautiful Romanian mountains and coast without a night spent in hotel, down in Hungary
Your wish might just come true. I would estimate that, based on current contracts and works, there will be one complete connection with Hungary's motorway network in 2-3 years tops.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #7548
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Can anybody tell me how much Poland could receive for motorways and expressways in 2007-2013 from the EU? Romania gets about 1.8 billion EUR.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:47 PM   #7549
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the answer makes sense if you know what kind of funds had to be secured from national budget as well. EU does not finance any project without combination with national money.

otherwords: if you do not have your own money do not dream of EU money.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #7550
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I agree, but I was asking solely for the EU allocations.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #7551
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Your wish might just come true. I would estimate that, based on current contracts and works, there will be one complete connection with Hungary's motorway network in 2-3 years tops.
Unfortunately to fulfill my wishes completely, it takes a motorway/expressway all the way down from Krakˇw to Budapest or Debrecen too, not only Romanian stretches alone
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:58 PM   #7552
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This corridor seems to be a bit neglected. Just as the Via Baltica Although the first one is hard to build due to the hilly terrain (that is certainly part of a Natura2000 part - correct me if I'm wrong); whereas the latter would certainly be easier (only Augustˇw bypass being difficult due to ecological reasons ...)

It is quite paradoxical that no motorway/expressway connect directly Poland to its best friends, Hungary ...
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #7553
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Can anybody tell me how much Poland could receive for motorways and expressways in 2007-2013 from the EU? Romania gets about 1.8 billion EUR.
Plan for 2011-2015 is to spend no more than 83 bilion PLN (about 18,5 bln EUR) for road investment. Don't know how much we receive from EU.
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Is there any exact schedule for negotiations over this matter ?
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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:12 AM   #7555
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I agree, but I was asking solely for the EU allocations.
Around 11 billion EUR. Operational Programme "Infrastructure and Environment" (with most funds spent on road infrastructure) was (is) the biggest operational programme in the history of EU. More details here:
http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/...v_defL=7&LAN=7
Motorways and expressways were funded from priorities 6 and 8 (with less than 5% of money from those priorities spent on things other than road infrastructure).
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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:14 AM   #7556
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This corridor seems to be a bit neglected. Just as the Via Baltica Although the first one is hard to build due to the hilly terrain (that is certainly part of a Natura2000 part - correct me if I'm wrong); whereas the latter would certainly be easier (only Augustˇw bypass being difficult due to ecological reasons ...)

It is quite paradoxical that no motorway/expressway connect directly Poland to its best friends, Hungary ...
For the time- being I would also accept the connection via DK52--> S52 to Zwardon and further thru future D3 (?) to Zilina and Bratislava, so called rotten compromise
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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #7557
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Is there any exact schedule for negotiations over this matter ?
I found only information, that spendings in 2012 will be about 6,7 bln EUR, from with 3 bln will come from UE.
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Old January 11th, 2012, 07:21 AM   #7558
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Around 11 billion EUR. Operational Programme "Infrastructure and Environment" (with most funds spent on road infrastructure) was (is) the biggest operational programme in the history of EU. More details here:
http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/...v_defL=7&LAN=7
Motorways and expressways were funded from priorities 6 and 8 (with less than 5% of money from those priorities spent on things other than road infrastructure).
Thank you everybody! If the infrastructure operation programmme is 11 billion then I found my answer, even though not all money goes to motorway, it's still a good hint. Anyway, the Romanian programme is alloted 5.7 billion from EU (though only EUR 1.8 b go to motorways, the rest are allotted to railways, national roads etc).

But in any case, the Polish programme is not the biggest IMO. Spain had the advantage of being a unique beneficiary of EU funds back when no eastern EU member was there in the EU and received vast amounts of money for infrastructure to the extent that it has now a motorway network better than Germany's.

BTW: you are still the best kid on the block these years:

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Romania ranks second in the region in terms of kilometers of highway finalized last year (58 kilometers), behind Poland, which opened 217 kilometers of highway to traffic last year, according to a Ziarul Financiar analysis based on data supplied by infrastructure ministries and on information in the local media.
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Old January 11th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #7559
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Thank you everybody! If the infrastructure operation programmme is 11 billion then I found my answer, even though not all money goes to motorway, it's still a good hint.
Actually the whole programme is ~37,6 billion EUR, 11 billion is just the EU contribution towards motorways and expressways.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #7560
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A2, interchange Komorniki - interchange Świecko.

National Road 5, Poznań Głogowska street.


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Interchange Głuchowo 154 km east from Świecko, interchange with expressway S11 opening - 05.2012








































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