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Old April 4th, 2012, 08:39 PM   #7821
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In Poland people are very hostile towards any tolled roads. Even in polish version of this this forum one of the most discussed issues is how much is going to be a toll on every newly built piece of highway. I think that comes from the times when everything like health services, education and also driving on roads were free of charges.
That is why also we have so many expressways to be built instead formerly planned as tolled motorways (S8, S3, S2)
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Old April 4th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #7822
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There is no such thing as a "free road". It's a taxed road, it's a toll road, or it's no road.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #7823
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hehehe, explain that to our people. good luck
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Old April 4th, 2012, 09:05 PM   #7824
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There is no such thing as a "free road". It's a taxed road, it's a toll road, or it's no road.
Initially Polish government allowed to prepare documentation for EU co-financing. However, there is a problem with economic return of this investment. The tunnel was slashed from the list o projects eligible for EU co-financing.

On the other hand, a lot of formal documents are ready, including AFAIK environmental assessment.

Currently the local administration took things in their hands and ordered a review of all economic / financial documentation in terms of possible public private partnership. Hard to say what will be the outcome of this.

The thing is that one must say to the people, that a tunnel might be feasible only ferry services (currently publicly financed) are abolished and the tunnel will be tolled. Naturally, the tolls would be considerably more expensive that current ferry fees.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #7825
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ferry in Swinoujscie is for free? so now I am 100% sure there will be problem with tolling that tunnel. maybe tourist and trucks will pay, I don't think people from Swinoujscie would easily give up free ferry even if tunnel is much more convenient.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 09:47 PM   #7826
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I don't mind paying to use the roads I use. I prefer that to being taxed for roads I don't use. What I hate is stopping to pay tolls. Hungary's system of electronic vignettes is great. The toll booths in Poland and France are a horrible waste of time.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 10:03 PM   #7827
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I think Europe will follow the American example of all-electronic tolling; transponders for frequent users, license plate toll with an administrative fee for incidental users. As far as I know the EU is currently coordinating license plate database exchanges (which also means you will probably begin to receive speeding fines in other countries). This system is called the EETS (European Electronic Toll Service).
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Old April 6th, 2012, 10:19 AM   #7828
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TBM river crossing for Gdansk air-sea link

http://tunneltalk.com/Poland-Apr12-H...r-crossing.php
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Old April 6th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #7829
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motorway S3 Międzyrzecz - Sulechów

S3 Międzyrzecz - Sulechów, section I

viaduct WS2


viaduct WS2, in background viaduct WD1












In backgroung viaduct WA46 on highway A2 over S3, junction Jordanowo.




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S3 Międzyrzecz - Sulechów, section II


















Junction Świebodzin North


Junction Świebodzin North, behind us national road DK3 ______ <<<Gorzów Wlkp. - Zielona Góra >>>













S3 Międzyrzecz - Sulechów, section III


















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Old April 6th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #7830
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TBM river crossing for Gdansk air-sea link

http://tunneltalk.com/Poland-Apr12-H...r-crossing.php
And this tunnel will be 2x2?
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Old April 6th, 2012, 09:20 PM   #7831
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Old April 7th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #7832
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Why is the S12 planned to go to Piotrków Trybunalski? It seems to me that it would be better to go west from Radom to Tomaszów Mazowiecki and then terminate at the intersection of the A1 and S8. In other words, the S8 (western portion) and S12 would be continuations of each other.

My suggested route would be significantly better for anyone wanting to continue north on the A1, west on the A2, or west on the S8 from the S12. It would also significantly improve the route between Wrocław and Warsaw. It would be slightly worse for anyone wanted to continue south on the A2 (e.g. to Piotrków Trybunalski or Katowice). My suggested route would be approximately 5 kilometers longer than the planned route.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 08:49 AM   #7833
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Why is the S12 planned to go to Piotrków Trybunalski? It seems to me that it would be better to go west from Radom to Tomaszów Mazowiecki and then terminate at the intersection of the A1 and S8. In other words, the S8 (western portion) and S12 would be continuations of each other.
The S12 is planned to go to Piotrków Trybunalski because expressway S74 is planned to go from S74/S12 interseciton (somewhere between Sulejow and Opoczno) to Tomaszów Mazowiecki and then terminate at the A1/S8 intersection.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 09:33 AM   #7834
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The S12 is planned to go to Piotrków Trybunalski because expressway S74 is planned to go from S74/S12 interseciton (somewhere between Sulejow and Opoczno) to Tomaszów Mazowiecki and then terminate at the A1/S8 intersection.
That would work too, but I would be more inclined to run the S74 south of Sulejów, south of Piotrków Trybunalski, northeast of Bełchatów, and terminate at the intersection of the S8 and S14. I believe my proposal would be both more efficient for more drivers and less expensive to build than the current plans.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #7835
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hehehe, explain that to our people. good luck
what you need is a way to finance roads without having to stop every 20km
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Old April 8th, 2012, 07:43 PM   #7836
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TBM river crossing for Gdansk air-sea link

http://tunneltalk.com/Poland-Apr12-H...r-crossing.php
It seems that Herrenknecht wins every TBM contract in Poland. They delivered the TBMs for the Warsaw metro line II, too.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 03:18 AM   #7837
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How is it going now with A2 from Łódź to Warszawa? Do they still think they can open it before Euro 2012?
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Old April 9th, 2012, 05:09 AM   #7838
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I really dont think so. Progress of section C is ~40%.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 09:40 AM   #7839
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why was it never really a priority to connect Warszawa to the european motorway network? I mean its more or less understandable with Bucharest, since you go to Bucharest when you really want to go there. No real transit there. But Polands capitol is on a -when not on THE- major route to Russia.

I hope that A2 will be ready soon, even if a big and important city like Warszawa should have at least 5 motorways connecting it to everywhere.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 10:24 AM   #7840
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I really dont think so. Progress of section C is ~40%.
With 8 weeks to go.
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