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Old May 21st, 2012, 12:22 AM   #8081
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Does anyone know why the northern part of DK8 Piotrków Trybunalski - Warszawa is currently not converted to an expressway. Is it just because it's in another województwo? If I understand correctly, Mszczonów - Wolica will be an adaption of the existing road, but Wolica - S2 will be a new alignment west of the DK8 (bypassing Raszyn).
Exactly as you say, new corridor to bypass Raszyn and upgrade of existing DK8 south of Wolica. If you'd like to see exactly how is it going to look like, take a look at this map:
http://mapa.siskom.waw.pl/
Select "drogi krajowe" (national roads) on the right, planned S8 will be marked in blue. It's not U/C because environmental documentation etc. isn't ready or wasn't ready when the money was there. There is a tender for the Opacz-Wolica section (between S2 and DW721), the remaining part should be converted to an expressway within next 10 years
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Old May 21st, 2012, 12:26 AM   #8082
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Hi to all and greetings from the UK!

I wonder whether you can help with a journey that 2 friends of mine will make in a few weeks. I hope this isn't too much off topic!

They aim to travel from near Frankfurt an der Oder (just inside the Polish border) to the Lithuanian border on Tuesday 5 June, and then nearly 3 weeks later, from Lithuania to Radom on Monday 25 June.

My thoughts are that their plans are ambitious (I've heard that the queues through Augustow can be long, for example), but they're convinced that the travel times are realistic. What do you all think? I'm guessing that Euro 2012 won't affect things too much on either date but again I'm happy to be proved wrong...

Many thanks!
Hi, I only know the ravel times on the A2 part.
So Germany-Poland border - Poznan - 1:30 h
Poznan - Lodz - 1:45 h

These are approximate, within the speed limit or up to 10km/h above it.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 03:35 AM   #8083
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A2 Stryków-Warszawa and the beautiful Poland!

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20.05.2012 Sunday godz. 20.15 - Ciemna i jasna strona mocy aka 431+000. Jestem na południu patrzymy na północ.



Na zachód patrz w stronę Strykowa MA-288



MA-288, dalej WA-287, następnie WD-286 ----> Stryków



MA-288, dalej WA-287, następnie WD-286 ----> Stryków



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Na wschód patrz w stronę Konotopa, kawałek podjazdu WD-290, następnie WD-291, dalej WD-292



Pierwszy plan MA-289, WD-290, następnie WD-291, dalej WD-292 ----> Konotopa



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Old May 21st, 2012, 12:35 PM   #8084
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Looking at today's quantitative progress report in the Polish language forum, sections B, D, and E look like they can be open in time. Section A looks unlikely (to me). Section C looks hopeless (to me), but maybe I'm too pessimistic. I agree that the progress is now rapid, and I hope it can all open before Euro 2012.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...3#post91374903
I am sort of hoping to find some post like this today again. Weekly updates like these are useful to see the progress.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 12:55 PM   #8085
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I am sort of hoping to find some post like this today again. Weekly updates like these are useful to see the progress.
Welcome to the forum Vegito!

This week's status report should become available this afternoon. Photos taken yesterday do not encourage hope of opening for Euro 2012.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:12 PM   #8086
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Thanks I continued to check this forum every now and then. I've been registered for some time (2.5 years lol) but only posted once before.
I will drive to Poland in June and hope to see the A2 ready till Warsaw then. It would help.. I will leave the A2 at the interchange with the S50.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:34 PM   #8087
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Thanks I continued to check this forum every now and then. I've been registered for some time (2.5 years lol) but only posted once before.
I will drive to Poland in June and hope to see the A2 ready till Warsaw then. It would help.. I will leave the A2 at the interchange with the S50.
There is a chance the A2 will open from Łódź to the new DK50 bypass sometime in June. I hope so. I'll be driving through Poland in August.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:44 PM   #8088
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About S8 Piotrków Tryb. - Warszawa again....

Are there already parts upgraded to a droga ekspresowa? Are they just opening an interchange at the time, or do they plan to open longer sections at once?
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Old May 21st, 2012, 04:07 PM   #8089
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Hi to all and greetings from the UK!

I wonder whether you can help with a journey that 2 friends of mine will make in a few weeks. I hope this isn't too much off topic!

They aim to travel from near Frankfurt an der Oder (just inside the Polish border) to the Lithuanian border on Tuesday 5 June, and then nearly 3 weeks later, from Lithuania to Radom on Monday 25 June.

My thoughts are that their plans are ambitious (I've heard that the queues through Augustow can be long, for example), but they're convinced that the travel times are realistic. What do you all think? I'm guessing that Euro 2012 won't affect things too much on either date but again I'm happy to be proved wrong...

Many thanks!

There aren't that many 'queues' as such near Augustow. The problem is that the roads are narrow and full of HGVs, and overtaking is very hard, so you end up being stuck in an unsafe road, surrounded by HGVs for a good half a day. Otherwise, I've done this journey many times and it isn't all that bad... Go via Lomza (exit S8/DK8 near Zambrow or Ostrow Mazowiecka), don't go all the way to Bialystok, not worth it yet. It depends how long you sleep, but if you leave in the early morning of day 1, you will be there by the evening of day 2. I usually stay in Poznan, it is a good half-way point and there are some good, cheap hostels there.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 04:36 PM   #8090
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About S8 Piotrków Tryb. - Warszawa again....

Are there already parts upgraded to a droga ekspresowa? Are they just opening an interchange at the time, or do they plan to open longer sections at once?
There are no fully opened sections for the time being. Because the road is in operation all the time, it is hard to say whether they will finish one section at a time. However from what can be seen now they do not focus on one particular stretch, but works are spread rather evenly.

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Old May 21st, 2012, 04:45 PM   #8091
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Old May 21st, 2012, 05:04 PM   #8092
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This week's progress report for the A2, translated into English:

Section A:

Foundation –100%
Binder – was 97% now 99% (increase of 2%)
Asphalt – was 3% now 13% (increase of 10%)

Section B:

Foundation –100%
Binder –100%
Asphalt – was 81% now 98% (increase of 17%)

Section C:

Foundation – was 81% now 93.7% (increase of 12.7%)
Binder – was 80% now 87% (increase of 7%)
Asphalt – 0% (no progress)

Section D:

Foundation –100%
Binder – 100%
Asphalt – was 86% now 100% (increase of 14%)

Section E:

Foundation – 100%,
Binder – 100%
Asphalt –100%
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Old May 21st, 2012, 05:31 PM   #8093
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I'm afraid section A isn't gonna make it either before Euro 2012 :p. Section C is no surprise. An opening of section A, B and C somewhere later in the summer makes more sense I guess.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:10 PM   #8094
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Section A was supposed to be opened temporarily with only foundation ready. They are already working on the final layer, which means they are way ahead of their schedule. Many people forget this, but it was section A that was the most delayed one in August 2011, there were barely any roadworks done - humus layer was removed, but not even on the whole length of that section! Eurovia has done wonders there, they pretty much built the motorway from scratch in 10 months.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:19 PM   #8095
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It's common (read: standard) in the Netherlands to let the earthworks consolidate for 3 - 12 months before any actual construction can take place. They do this to prevent subsidence after the road is finished. Do they do that in Poland as well, or are we looking at a lot of subsided motorways after 2015? Too fast construction can be problematic as well.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:22 PM   #8096
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:35 PM   #8097
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It's common (read: standard) in the Netherlands to let the earthworks consolidate for 3 - 12 months before any actual construction can take place. They do this to prevent subsidence after the road is finished. Do they do that in Poland as well, or are we looking at a lot of subsided motorways after 2015? Too fast construction can be problematic as well.
12 months seems like a lot, but it is required for embankments to consolidate for at least a few weeks before further construction can resume (probably depends on the properties of materials used, height of the embankment etc.). There are some methods of shortening this period and hopefully the engineers responsible for A2 know what they're doing.
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I think that realistically the best we can hope for is sections D & E of the A2 opening next week or perhaps in the first week of June if not middle of June which will at least allow traffic to get in and out of Warsaw more quickly (especially coming off S8 onto the A2 towards central Poland). If the traffic has to come off the A2 at the start/end of section D and back onto the E30/DK92 than it is better than nothing
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:53 PM   #8099
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This week's progress report for the A2, translated into English:

Section A:

Foundation –100%
Binder – was 97% now 99% (increase of 2%)
Asphalt – was 3% now 13% (increase of 10%)

Section B:

Foundation –100%
Binder –100%
Asphalt – was 81% now 98% (increase of 17%)

Section C:

Foundation – was 81% now 93.7% (increase of 12.7%)
Binder – was 80% now 87% (increase of 7%)
Asphalt – 0% (no progress)

Section D:

Foundation –100%
Binder – 100%
Asphalt – was 86% now 100% (increase of 14%)

Section E:

Foundation – 100%,
Binder – 100%
Asphalt –100%
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:54 PM   #8100
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The part I would worry about is the A2 between Lodz and Warsaw. If they can deal with that detour and get through Warsaw at off-peak traffic times, they should be ok.
A2 should be open by then, as well as S8 through Warsaw. The only obstacle would be DK8 in Marki. On the way back, I see no problem at all... S8, Prymasa Tysiaclecia, Al. Jerozolimskie, Lopuszanska, Al. Krakowska. I wouldn't be too much worried about the traffic, it's July - the trafic should be low even at peak hours.
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