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Old June 4th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #8341
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Question about S11.

Did the northern section of S11 also open yesterday evening?
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Old June 4th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #8342
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Question about S11.

Did the northern section of S11 also open yesterday evening?
No, only upper part of bottom section. Tarnowo Podgórne - Dąbrówka.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #8343
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I've heard in some interview with man from GDDiK, that Polish climate supposedly makes it very hard to build roads that lasts for long without holes. It's because roads detoriate the most, when it's wet, and there are many changes of temperature across freezing point (so water in microholes freeze, and melt, and freeze, and melt, making these holes bigger and bigger every time).

In Poland we have many such changes every winter, so roads break faster than in countries with less variable climate.

I don't know, if it's just excuse, thought - Germany has similiar climate, and their seems OK.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 12:08 PM   #8344
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Another question, concerning S8 Trasa Toruńska in Warszawa. When will this open to traffic? It was suppose to open May 31st, but apparently there were some issues, meaning the S8 could not open to traffic. Are these major issues, i.e. can we expect a multi-month delay, or is an opening of the road imminent?
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Old June 4th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #8345
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Another question, concerning S8 Trasa Toruńska in Warszawa. When will this open to traffic? It was suppose to open May 31st, but apparently there were some issues, meaning the S8 could not open to traffic. Are these major issues, i.e. can we expect a multi-month delay, or is an opening of the road imminent?
I was driving it on Sunday, It is not so far from being completed, but I do not expect it will happen before Euro2012. The main road was supposed to be opened 2012-05-31, but they did not get permission.
I foresee July, August (this year ;-)
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Old June 4th, 2012, 12:43 PM   #8346
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Old June 4th, 2012, 02:27 PM   #8347
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No, only upper part of bottom section. Tarnowo Podgórne - Dąbrówka.
I was wrong. It looks that entire south section has been opened - up to A2 highway.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 03:30 PM   #8348
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Old June 4th, 2012, 03:35 PM   #8349
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The video is 4 years old, but it's fun Where is this? DK1/8? (Gierkówka).
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Old June 4th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #8350
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Apparently DK8 about 25km south of Warsaw. Tough conditions, unfortunately it's unavoidable when it rains this heavily...
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Old June 4th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #8351
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Tough conditions, unfortunately it's unavoidable when it rains this heavily...
The road could be crowned more or porous asphalt could be used.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #8352
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Maybe, but during a heavy cloudburst (it's not uncommon here during summer to have very short cloudbursts with precipitation reaching over 20mm/min) there is always going to be a layer of water on the road. In this case however I think the biggest problems were ruts filling up with water...
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Old June 4th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #8353
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The road could be crowned more or porous asphalt could be used.
Porous asphalt won't survive the winter...
But true, something need to be done otherwise this road should be closed when is raining... or speed limit decrease to 50 km/h.
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or speed limit decrease to 50 km/h.
And how about drivers use common sense and adjust their speed to conditions on the road?
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Old June 4th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #8355
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I think the biggest problems were ruts filling up with water...
I think you're probably right.

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And how about drivers use common sense and adjust their speed to conditions on the road?
Exactly! That's the reason why I oppose fixed speed limits; drivers drive at the speed limit rather than paying attention to road conditions and driving accordingly.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #8356
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I don't want even mention this...
Education and culture on road should be bigger part of learning process. Driving a car it's not just keeping steering wheel and pushing gas/brakes...
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Old June 4th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #8357
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Porous asphalt won't survive the winter...
But true, something need to be done otherwise this road should be closed when is raining... or speed limit decrease to 50 km/h.
Condition like this might happen everywhere, people just have to slow down regardless of the speed limit.
I drove few times in torrential rain in the US (I mean really torrential, never seen anything like this in Europe) and people slowed down or even exited freeway on the nearest junction to wait over the worst. I did stop for 15 min because it was almost impossible to drive.
You can't set speed limits for every possible condition.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #8358
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Can anybody explain me, what does it mean?: Obwód utrzymania autostrady

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Old June 4th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #8359
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Old June 4th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #8360
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Condition like this might happen everywhere, people just have to slow down regardless of the speed limit.
I drove few times in torrential rain in the US (I mean really torrential, never seen anything like this in Europe) and people slowed down or even exited freeway on the nearest junction to wait over the worst. I did stop for 15 min because it was almost impossible to drive.
You can't set speed limits for every possible condition.
Last August, I was forced to drive 50-60kph on S7 expressway - the rain was that heavy. Everyone else slowed down as well.
Fortunately, such rains happen to be short.
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