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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:20 AM   #8381
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well, there is much higher priority in western and central Poland to connect important for our economy cities. beside A2 would mostly serve as a transit route for our eastern neighbors (Russia, Belarus). There is even no single over 100K city between Warsaw and belarusian border. For eastern Poland much more important at the moment is to finish S8 between Warsaw and Bialystok, S17 between Warsaw and Lublin and A4 all the way to Ukraine border.
I agree. Completing the A2 to the Belarus border would be good, but completing the S8 to Białystok, the S17 to Lublin, and the A4 to the Ukraine border are more urgent. Resources are limited and need to be prioritized where the benefits will be greatest.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:13 AM   #8382
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I have some friends from Eastern Poland (east of Warsaw) and they constantly tell me that they feel neglected by the government.
It's interesting, as I've thought the govt think of development of Eastern Poland quite closely...

http://www.polskawschodnia.gov.pl/

Seemingly that program has been subject of jealousy of western voivodships (regions), who would like to have something similar put in place.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #8383
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A nice ride from Świerklany to Pyrzowice airport made by rybnik.com.pl (local news portal):

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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #8384
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There is announcement from GDDKiA that whole A2 between Strykow and Warsaw will be open tomorrow.
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos...okale=warszawa
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:38 PM   #8385
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It's notable that this will also pass the A4 for being the longest continuous Autostrada in Poland. A4 stretches 455 kilometers, A2 stretches just a mite further: 456 kilometers.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #8386
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Decision on what happened with that bridge on A1 has been published. Alpine Bau's poor work quality was the reason the work had to be stopped. Constuction will be resumed, bridge design was OK, no need to tear it down.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #8387
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It's notable that this will also pass the A4 for being the longest continuous Autostrada in Poland. A4 stretches 455 kilometers, A2 stretches just a mite further: 456 kilometers.
Just for little while. A4 soon will extend to the east.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #8388
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Hi, I was living in Poland in 1995=1998 and I remember that you had some expressways mostly. Are you upgrading them now to autobahns or you're building new roads? Because, here in Bulgaria we won't have enough money to build Hemus motorway and from Turnovo to Shumen it will be expressway. Government says some day it'll be upgraded to motorway and I can't understand how?
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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:45 PM   #8389
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No upgrading. There will be only 3 long motorway streches in Poland (A1, A2, A4). A6, A8, A18 will stay short. The rest will be expressways, and that's even better for us, since expressways are not tolled for cars <3,5t.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #8390
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since expressways are not tolled for cars <3,5t.
I wouldn't take that for granted though, several new expressways do have space for an SPO* at each exit. Maybe not now, but who knows where we are in 10 years?

* toll station (at a trumpet interchange).
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Old June 6th, 2012, 07:03 PM   #8391
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We are not upgrading expressways to motorways. However, it may be possible on some stretches. For example, S3 was formerly planned as A3 and section Szczecin-Gorzów Wielkopolski was built with downgraded motorway plans, so one day possibly could be converted to motorway.

But we have two dual carriageways which are planned to be upgraded to motorway: 1 Piotrków Trybunalski-Częstochowa and 18 Olszyna-Golnice.

ChrisZwolle, I hope in 10 years nobody would pay for motorways on toll booths as in Middle Ages.
If you think about space for SPO on S3 it is due to what I've written before - it was planned as motorway before.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 07:42 PM   #8392
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So, new motorways are not upgraded old expressways?
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Old June 6th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #8393
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So, new motorways are not upgraded old expressways?
Definitely not, new motorways are new roads. Also, in 1995-1998 we had very few expressways...

Check here: http://www.martins99.za.pl/npd.swf
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Old June 6th, 2012, 07:53 PM   #8394
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But we have two dual carriageways which are planned to be upgraded to motorway: 1 Piotrków Trybunalski-Częstochowa and 18 Olszyna-Golnice.

It will a long time before these two routes are upgraded to motorway status
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:09 PM   #8395
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But we have two dual carriageways which are planned to be upgraded to motorway: 1 Piotrków Trybunalski-Częstochowa and 18 Olszyna-Golnice.
But those have never been expressways. What's more, both were planned as motorways from the start. A18 used to be a motorway, while DK1 was actually meant to be built as one, but for financial reasons in the "first phase" (which lasts 36 years already) no overpasses and grade separated junctions were built.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #8396
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It's notable that this will also pass the A4 for being the longest continuous Autostrada in Poland. A4 stretches 455 kilometers, A2 stretches just a mite further: 456 kilometers.

A4 is 444,4 km long Its last km of A4: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=szar%C...251.84,,1,8.65
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:57 PM   #8397
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A4 is 444,4 km long Its last km of A4: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=szar%C...251.84,,1,8.65
wow! I love that google street view. Hard to hide anything
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Old June 6th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #8398
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Ah, I missed the exit numbering jump at Balice (10 km).
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Old June 6th, 2012, 09:56 PM   #8399
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I hope in 10 years nobody would pay for motorways on toll booths as in Middle Ages.
I don't mind paying tolls. I very much mind stopping to pay tolls.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #8400
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S8 in Warszawa will open this evening / night:

http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1..._Torunska.html
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