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Old June 8th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #8461
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The destruction of Warsaw began in World War II and continued until 1989. The phoenix began to rise from the ashes only in the 1990s.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #8462
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On Motorways and Expressways you can go up to 10 kmph above given limit without ticket, only because 10kmph margin is set to speed cameras. As far as I know police with manual speed measuring stuff is not obligated to that 10kmph margin.

So you can go without any problems (still against the law but w/o ticket) 9.9 kmph above speed limit on finish and completely ready dual carriageway motorways and expressways.

Note: For example on brand new A2, where there is no final layer ready on 1 small section with speed limit 70kmph you could meet police get ticket for overspeeding.

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Yeaahhh, sure... Try this in The Netherlands, where you can obtain a ticket for speeding 3-4 km/h over speed limit. Normally that's way I am driving 122 km/h in NL :P and most of drivers. Speed cameras from overpasses or under the bridges are quite common.
We will see how will be on Polish new roads soon!
Quite surprising but Polish capitol get motorway connection after 79 yrs later than Wroclaw :P
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Old June 8th, 2012, 05:14 PM   #8463
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Yeaahhh, sure... Try this in The Netherlands, where you can obtain a ticket for speeding 3-4 km/h over speed limit. Normally that's way I am driving 122 km/h in NL :P and most of drivers. Speed cameras from overpasses or under the bridges are quite common.
We will see how will be on Polish new roads soon!
Quite surprising but Polish capitol get motorway connection after 79 yrs later than Wroclaw :P
Actually, in the Netherlands you won't be fined until 128 km/h.
They only fine from 4 km/h to fast afaik.
128 km/h > 4km correction >124 km/h...
Anything under that will not be a fine iirc ?

But in Poland my experience is the Police don't care if you're driving fast on an empty motorway. Unlike here, where the highway robbers jump out of the bushes for small infractions. However, luckily a good sat nav (or mind, for fixed tax collector camera's), good eyes (keeping en eye on unmarked tax collectors) and Flitsnav or Flitsmeister (for the mobile laser or radar armed highway robbers) help A LOT.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 04:47 PM   #8464
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Now when Poland have some very nice motorways like the A2 all the way to Warszawa and the very nice motorway A4, they should do something with A18. That motorway is still horrible in the direction from German border and east. They really need to repair it. So I hope the do it soon now.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 08:33 PM   #8465
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It is not a motorway A18, but national road 18. It is signed as A18 only on very short section near A4. And really, there are many more important single carriageway sections with much higher traffic volumes. (A)18 is significant mainly because of the prestige.

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Old June 9th, 2012, 08:39 PM   #8466
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Many other DK-roads in Poland were renovated, and so should DK18, the current condition is completely unacceptable, low traffic volumes or not.

By the way, the S7 around the southern side of Gdańsk opened to traffic!

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Old June 9th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #8467
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Many other DK-roads in Poland were renovated, and so should DK18, the current condition is completely unacceptable, low traffic volumes or not.
In that case we should consider converting it into single carriageway until more important projects are done. But I am not sure that it would be safer than the current configuration.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #8468
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How about a temporary 2+1 setup on the north carriageway? It could be a solution if it becomes clear renovation won't start for another 5 years or so.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #8469
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It still requires certain sum of money. There's no place for temporary solutions in a situation when the second two lanes are anyway planned...
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Old June 10th, 2012, 05:30 AM   #8470
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Many other DK-roads in Poland were renovated, and so should DK18, the current condition is completely unacceptable, low traffic volumes or not.

By the way, the S7 around the southern side of Gdańsk opened to traffic!

Awesome! I'm going to be staying near there next week, I was just looking at the maps the other day and it wasn't on there yet. A good month for Poland.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 09:06 AM   #8471
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So how long should it take now to get from Berlin to Warsaw?
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Old June 10th, 2012, 09:47 AM   #8472
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So how long should it take now to get from Berlin to Warsaw?
About 5 hours
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Old June 10th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #8473
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Many other DK-roads in Poland were renovated, and so should DK18, the current condition is completely unacceptable, low traffic volumes or not.
That's right, nevertheless, still a lot of national roads in need of repair. But maybe simply I'm just a pessimist...
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Old June 10th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #8474
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Many other DK-roads in Poland were renovated, and so should DK18, the current condition is completely unacceptable, low traffic volumes or not.

By the way, the S7 around the southern side of Gdańsk opened to traffic!

Are you sure about this? The S7 Gdańsk southern bypass isn't supposed to be open to traffic until the first week of July. But if it is than well done Poland for getting it opened ahead of schedule
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Old June 10th, 2012, 02:42 PM   #8475
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Old June 10th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #8476
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Wow! The rate of progress in opening new motorways and expressways in Poland is just staggering. Next month we can look forward to the openings of: A1 Świerklany - Polish/Czech border, A1 Kowal - Łódż Północ (Stryków) (maybe? its not definite), A2 Mińsk Maz bypass. Go Poland!
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Old June 10th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #8477
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Nice road but too narrow - It was not possible to build it directly 3 lanes on each directions (to overpass a million inhabitants Three City - Gdansk, Sopot, Gdynia)?

In a few years it will need to be enlarged and, once again, with the problems we all know that occurs in Poland, traffic jams long time again ...
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Old June 10th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #8478
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Four lanes can handle 70.000 - 80.000 vehicles per day, depending on the truck share. I don't think it will initially carry more than 20.000 vehicles per day, and future growth may be significant, but I think that largely depends on the rate of suburbanization of the area. Considering most of the Wisła River delta may not be suitable for large-scale housing developments, it's doubtful whether S7 will reach its capacity in the forseeable future (next 30 years).

I myself was more surprised with the S6/S7 interchange. It's a trumpet with the loop in the wrong direction (the heaviest flow). It would have made more sense to mirror the trumpet, so that Gdynia > Elbląg and vice versa traffic can maintain the highest speed.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #8479
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It still requires certain sum of money. There's no place for temporary solutions in a situation when the second two lanes are anyway planned...
I agree. It would be quite expensive for a temporary solution that arguably is not even as good as the current state of affairs.

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About 5 hours
5 hours would be a relaxed pace. 4 hours might be possible if you're aggressive.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #8480
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Four lanes can handle 70.000 - 80.000 vehicles per day, depending on the truck share. I don't think it will initially carry more than 20.000 vehicles per day, and future growth may be significant, but I think that largely depends on the rate of suburbanization of the area. Considering most of the Wisła River delta may not be suitable for large-scale housing developments, it's doubtful whether S7 will reach its capacity in the forseeable future (next 30 years).

I myself was more surprised with the S6/S7 interchange. It's a trumpet with the loop in the wrong direction (the heaviest flow). It would have made more sense to mirror the trumpet, so that Gdynia > Elbląg and vice versa traffic can maintain the highest speed.
False.

A four lane motorway, has a maximum capacity of 40-50k vehicules per day (If traffic rides on both lanes). Anyway, they are a lot of trucks on this route (Three City-Warsaw-Krakow), so the capacity is even lower... Not talking about rush hour in Three City, which left hundreds of thousands vehicles at the same moment, and you get a real road block, surely also on the new road .

Have you ever been once in Gdansk?

The existing route that lead to the S6 is already fully blocked in rush hours.
The new S7 will work as an alternative route, so in a few years it will be completely saturated and they will need to enlarge it.
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