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Old June 12th, 2012, 03:59 AM   #8501
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Can't they open the Mszana bridge (at least to cars, if not to lorries) while they are fixing it?
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Old June 12th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #8502
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They would surely do that if they could.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #8503
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Ruhrgebiet:
A40 near Bochum: 109.573 vpd
A43 near Herne: 98.904 vpd
A565 near Bonn-Beuel: 96.784 vpd

Randstad:
A1 near Blaricum: 109.280 vpd
A2 near Culemborg: 113.960 vpd
A4 near Hoogmade: 105.179 vpd
A12 near Bleiswijk: 100.055 vpd

All 2005 workday figures

Yes, these are roads where traffic will be the same for long parts of the day: too busy. And no, it'll not be comfortable.

But your claim that its 'purely theoretical'? Nonsense.
No, for a free flow motorway it's not nonsense.

Other ways to avoid congestions, and it could be done cheaply, is to open the emergency lane during peak hours (by doing emergency isles instead), as it is in some countries.

But the hell, a new expressway should directly be done at three lane on each direction near big agglomerations as Three City (especially with all the trucks that runs and will run the DK-S7). That's nonsense.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #8504
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Budimex and Mostostal, two Socialist Era Polish companies that built the best sections of A2! Congratulation .
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Old June 12th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #8505
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Old June 13th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #8506
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A4/S19 - another stretch of motorway/expressway which will not get used for months and months
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Old June 13th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #8507
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Now the A2 is open to traffic and will remain so after Euro 2012. However, the last SMA layer isn't complete on section A. I think section C SMA is now 100% complete. This means that (as far as I know) a speed restriction of 70kph will remain in force whilst the rest of the work is done bit by bit (the motorway will remain open during this). Does anyone know WHEN it will be properly finished? I know the contract end dates specify October for A and C sections but I was hoping for early August so I can zip along at 140kph all the way to Warsaw. Google and viamichelin do not appear to have caught up with the opening yet. Perhaps they will wait until it is all "open" including all the over bridges and junctions?
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Old June 13th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #8508
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Completing of section A is terms of asphalt is estimated to last a month or so, beginning July 2nd.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #8509
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I drove the new section on A2 on the 9th day.

It was clearly not finished - judging from the weight limits, speed limits, missing noise barriers and of course unused toll stations - but nevertheless, I guess it was a good idea to open it for the football games. It will surely be a pleasure to drive through Poland in the future, when all today's projects are finished.

I wonder, when there will be a motorway/expressway all the way up to Lithuania...
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Old June 13th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #8510
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Budimex and Mostostal, two Socialist Era Polish companies that built the best sections of A2!
Budimex is now owned by Spanish Ferrovial, and Polimex-Mostostal has majority of its shares in free float on Warsaw Stock Exchange. Not much socialist :P
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Old June 13th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #8511
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I wonder, when there will be a motorway/expressway all the way up to Lithuania...
We'll have an expressway from Warsaw all the way to the Lithuanian border sometime in the 2020s. The best we can hope for before 2020 is completion of the S8 all the way to Białystok.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #8512
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No, for a free flow motorway it's not nonsense.
Cool, and I agree, although with disciplined driving you can probably get it up to 60k. But that was not what you originally claimed so it was either a language thing or you shouldn't call our replies "false" or "purely theoretical" when you say:

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A four lane motorway, has a maximum capacity of 40-50k vehicules per day (If traffic rides on both lanes).
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Old June 14th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #8513
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Old June 14th, 2012, 01:15 PM   #8514
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Completing of section A is terms of asphalt is estimated to last a month or so, beginning July 2nd.
Thanks for that. When I first started London - Moscow via Warsaw, only the Novy Tomysyl to Strykow sections were open, and Berlin - Kaunas took one whole day. Now I should be able to go from London - Kaunas in 24 hours which will reduce my London - Moscow transit time to 48 hours including stops and borders. Only the Latvian roads and parts of the M9 in Russia are still bad.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 09:03 PM   #8515
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Thanks for that. When I first started London - Moscow via Warsaw, only the Novy Tomysyl to Strykow sections were open, and Berlin - Kaunas took one whole day. Now I should be able to go from London - Kaunas in 24 hours which will reduce my London - Moscow transit time to 48 hours including stops and borders. Only the Latvian roads and parts of the M9 in Russia are still bad.
Why not to go via Belorussia and M1?
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Old June 14th, 2012, 10:34 PM   #8516
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Why not to go via Belorussia and M1?
transit visa for byelorussia required as well as russian visa and I would still need to complete customs formalities for the car (vremeni vosd) and immigration formalities (migration card and passport stamp) and insurance (uk doesn't do russian valid green card insurance) at the russian border. I expect that one day I will try this route when I have time. The car is uk registered and the occupant is a uk national. So it takes a little longer but I am more comfortable with this route.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 10:58 PM   #8517
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transit visa for byelorussia required as well as russian visa and I would still need to complete customs formalities for the car (vremeni vosd) and immigration formalities (migration card and passport stamp) and insurance (uk doesn't do russian valid green card insurance) at the russian border. I expect that one day I will try this route when I have time. The car is uk registered and the occupant is a uk national. So it takes a little longer but I am more comfortable with this route.
Well, at least Finnish insurance companies release insurance that is valid in Russia for free.
Another route could be through Denmark, Sweden, ferry Stockholm-Turku or Helsinki, St.Petersburg, Moscow
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #8518
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Why not to go via Belorussia and M1?
Last time I drove to Belarus, the visa cost 150 euro.
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Old June 15th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #8519
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Well, at least Finnish insurance companies release insurance that is valid in Russia for free.
Another route could be through Denmark, Sweden, ferry Stockholm-Turku or Helsinki, St.Petersburg, Moscow
I did the Scandinavian Route in 2005. Alone by myself. Wife was supposed to take Tolstoi Express from Moscow to meet me in Finland but got chucked off the train in Vyborg having forgot her international passport. But I got the insurance on the Finnish side of the border at Nuijamaa and crossed over in around 4 hours. It took me an hour to locate her in Vyborg as she went "shopping".

You will find that Scandinavian and mid European insurance green cards have much better coverage than uk issued green cards. The situation may change in the future but I'm not holding my breath. The other solution is to get a Russian passport (don't ask how but it is possible!) but this would bring another problem - the renewal of my old russian driving license which expired some time ago. Russians have to drive in Russia on a Russian License as far as I know. Plus the DPS would treat me like a Russian whereas at present I am just a stupid foreign person on holiday. Hint: the DPS are not noted for their ability to read in languages other than Russian or key non Russian letters into their computer system. This has many advantages, the main one being that it is a complete waste of effort trying to book me for anything menial. In 10 years I have only parted with a box of chocolates which I "mistakenly" left in the DPS "customer" waiting area after a minor traffic violation. That was my first fine in over 13 years of driving in Russia!
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Old June 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #8520
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Cool, and I agree, although with disciplined driving you can probably get it up to 60k. But that was not what you originally claimed so it was either a language thing or you shouldn't call our replies "false" or "purely theoretical" when you say:
You said on all you replies that my answers were "spouting nonsense, are nonsense or false", before admitting your mistake. Giving lessons to others should not forgive you to correct yourself.

On this road (with trucks), it wouldn't even cross 50k.
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