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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #8641
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Expressways currently under construction will help a bit, but I wouldn't count on any miracles. They don't address the biggest issues (lack of interborough communication east of Wisła, no bypasses of Marki, Raszyn and Łomianki). Also, next year the bridge handling most traffic (Grota-Roweckiego) will be partially closed, so crossing the river will get more difficult.

Then again I'm not complaining, from my perspective traffic in Warszawa is not that bad really, for example from my house even during rush hours it's usually quicker to get to the city center by car than using trams and buses.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 05:32 AM   #8642
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I would add that Warszawa has very undeveloped inter borough connections. There is very few roads between Wola/Jelonki to Ochota, between Bemowo and Bielany/Zoliborz, between rapidly growing Wilanow and Ursynow even old Mokotow and Ochota have very few decent connectors. All that creates lots of bottlenecks which are apparent especially in last 10 years when number of cars thanks to very little import restrictions grew rapidly.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #8643
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Warszawa has no ring road. All the flow moves through the city. Good thing you moved heavy traffic on DK62 and DK50 roads, otherwise these statistics wouldn't surprise.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #8644
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It is true that at the moment Warsaw does not have a complete outer road like the majority of other European capitals do. However it is slowly getting there. For example we have the western ring road (S8) and the S2 southern bypass from the A2 to Puławska will be ready and open to traffic in early or mid 2013. Obviously it may be 2020 may the time Warsaw gets it complete outer ring road with the addition of the S17 eastern ring road, the rest of the S2 southern bypass and the E67 upgraded to S8 between the city centre and Modlińska.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #8645
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For those who might be interested: road maps of II Polish Republic in the late 30. of XX century. 1937/1938 map is multilangual.
http://siskom.waw.pl/nauka-historia.htm

As the borders changed, pre-war road condition in Western Belarus & Ukraine as well as eastern Lithuania can also be seen.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 12:06 AM   #8646
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Interesting. The droga państwowa (state road) was numbered in a radial system, originating in Warszawa or one of its radials. The numbers ran clockwise from 1 to 18 apparently, and there were also fragmented numbers like 18/6 or 9/2 which were less important roads. The road density was also much higher in western Poland than in the east, and the quality in the east was also abominable, with hardly any paved roads in large areas of present-day Belarus & Ukraine. Only southern Poland (current SW Ukraine) had a relatively dense network. Also interesting is how few good quality roads there were back in the late 1930's, basically only the first 50 - 100 km from Warszawa and some other regions like Silesia.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 04:10 AM   #8647
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Absolutely ******* unbelievable. How stupid can people be?
Film like that could be used as a real proof of evolution. Looking at it even Christian fundamentalists should agree that people clearly come from monkeys and that some of us are closer to them than others.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 06:15 AM   #8648
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Wow I hope to never come across such imbeciles.
Should all have their licenses taken away and fined heavily, some of them are easily jail worthy ( like the ones stopping in a bend, retards, what if someone's already accelerating on the sliproad, and then suddenly finds some moron sitting in a blind bend just before joining the motorway?) , and you can see some people having to emergency brake like near 9.06...

It should not be normal that you can expect people coming in the other direction on a motorway or stopped in places like that.

By the way, do the camera's throw these alarms automatically ? ( the Stop Alarm and the INV DIR alarm? Smart piece of software if they do!)

I agree though, those ''people'' do not belong on the road, but more in the zoo with all the other apes...

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Old July 12th, 2012, 07:21 AM   #8649
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[youtube]Film like that could be used as a real proof of evolution. Looking at it even Christian fundamentalists should agree that people clearly come from monkeys and that some of us are closer to them than others.
If the backward "design" of the human retina doesn't convince someone of evolution, then this film won't either. In any large group, there will be a few outliers who are this stupid -- even in a group of monkeys some will be this stupid.

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Should all have their licenses taken away and fined heavily, some of them are easily jail worthy ( like the ones stopping in a bend, retards, what if someone's already accelerating on the sliproad, and then suddenly finds some moron sitting in a blind bend just before joining the motorway?) , and you can see some people having to emergency brake like near 9.06...
I agree that these drivers should lose their licenses -- in the case of lorry drivers, they should lose their commercial licenses forever.

Motorway/expressway slip roads should not have blind spots.


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By the way, do the camera's throw these alarms automatically ? ( the Stop Alarm and the INV DIR alarm? Smart piece of software if they do!)
Yes. The software is quite good.

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I agree though, those ''people'' do not belong on the road, but more in the zoo with all the other apes...
We're all apes. The subset of apes which includes our nearest relatives are called Great Apes and includes only gorillas, orangutans, humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #8650
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Interesting. The droga państwowa (state road) was numbered in a radial system, originating in Warszawa or one of its radials. The numbers ran clockwise from 1 to 18 apparently, and there were also fragmented numbers like 18/6 or 9/2 which were less important roads. The road density was also much higher in western Poland than in the east,
Doh. It is a truth universally acknowledged, that Poland's infrastructure varies along the west-east line, but few seem to understand the scale, also in Poland. When Poland was put back together in February 1919, the levels of literacy varied from 97% in Wielkopolska (west), Silesia and Warsaw - I guess 3% illiteracy is not bad for 1918 - to a shocking 50, or even 30% literacy rates where you found roads in "abominable state". There has been a struggle to level out those differences (at our great cost), but it hasn't been even 100 years since then.

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Old July 12th, 2012, 04:01 PM   #8651
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Polish highways/motorways section is collecting money to buy a remotely controlled drone to film motorway construction all over the country.

So far they have collected half the money needed to buy a decent drone.

More info here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=polska&page=6
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Old July 13th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #8652
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So is the A1 between the A2 interchange and Piątek going to open to traffic on Sun 15th July 2012?
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Old July 14th, 2012, 12:57 PM   #8653
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Good news! The S14 between the Dobroń interchange and the 'Port Łódż' interchange has fully open to traffic today hence relieving Pabianice town centre of heavy through traffic thanks to this new full bypass.

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http://lodz.gazeta.pl/lodz/1,35153,1....html#opinions
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Old July 14th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #8654
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Hi does anyone know how much is left over from the 2007-2013 EU grant and what roads do you think this money will be spent on? Or should be spent on?

Another question with many road contracts now in Poland suffering huge time delays and companies going bankrupt etc etc (A1,A4,S2) who is to blame for all of this? What do you think could be the solution to be put in place that these problems are less avoided in the future?
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Old July 14th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #8655
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question about the video posted before: How they get on the wrong side in the first place? Ain't they exits and entrances singed or what?
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Old July 14th, 2012, 10:26 PM   #8656
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We've discussed that in Polish thread and we speculate that they are escaping mistakenly entered toll section.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #8657
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We've discussed that in Polish thread and we speculate that they are escaping mistakenly entered toll section.
Yes, that's what I heard. But how stupid some have be to risk their life for few zlotych??
Honestly, every time I drive in Poland I get nervous. It is not coincidence that we are so high in road deaths statistics.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 08:58 AM   #8658
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We've discussed that in Polish thread and we speculate that they are escaping mistakenly entered toll section.
A new argument why vignettes are better than toll booths!
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Old July 15th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #8659
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I would rather say it`s an argument for tougher penalties for drivers. Their behavior can lead to disaster in land traffic.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #8660
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Tougher penalties do not always reduce crime. The classic example is pickpocketing in London in the 19th century.
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