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Old July 17th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #8681
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Why? They could do the same if they mistakenly enter toll road without vignette.
Does anyone turn around and drive the wrong way after discovering they have entered a toll road without a vignette?
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Old July 18th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #8682
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If the employer was paying the toll then they wouldn't care.
But maybe the employer wouldn't and it would come out of their wages.
Also, most people, when confronted with an unexpected cost to be met from their own pocket, try to avoid it.
The calculation is something like TOLL zl / PRICE OF BEER zl = Quantity of beer "lost".
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Old July 19th, 2012, 12:10 AM   #8683
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Is there any plan about ring roads in major cities? (Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw...)
I've seen a kind of rings in Wroclaw and Krakow, but they are not still closed... But what it's more curious for me is the lack of ring roads in Warsaw (added to the small metro system and one of the highest rates of traffic density of Europe)
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Old July 19th, 2012, 12:20 AM   #8684
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Is there any plan about ring roads in major cities? (Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw...)
I've seen a kind of rings in Wroclaw and Krakow, but they are not still closed... But what it's more curious for me is the lack of ring roads in Warsaw (added to the small metro system and one of the highest rates of traffic density of Europe)
Katowice already has a complete ring road. There are plans for a full ring road around Krakow, with the last section (northwest) opening about a year ago and the next section (east) out for tender now. I guess it won't be complete for another decade or so. There were plans for a complete ring road around Warsaw, but the northeast part was cancelled over environmental concerns. Maybe they'll find a new route which doesn't endanger any cockroaches. Work progresses on the rest of the Warsaw ring road. The western half should be complete soon.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 06:03 PM   #8685
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A foto of the unfinished bridge in Mszana on A1 I went by from Ostrava taking D1, in Bohumin crossing the border and entering polish A1 in Swierklany. Wondered why there could not be made provisionary arrangement going by like this:



The local roads could withsdand the traffic in my oppinion and anyway they need reconstruction already, thus there is not much reason to protect them. There is available slip at Mszana wide enough for both entering and leaving the motorway. Seems to me like legit solution.

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Here the toll at the A4 direction Wroclav. First picture is the start where you get a ticket, second and third the end where one pays.






The toll was about 16 zloty. They accept euro banknotes also and they pay you back only in zlotys, no euro mint is accepted. The best solution is a credit card which is also accepted.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 12:53 AM   #8686
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A foto of the unfinished bridge in Mszana on A1 I went by from Ostrava taking D1, in Bohumin crossing the border and entering polish A1 in Swierklany. Wondered why there could not be made provisionary arrangement going by like this:



The local roads could withsdand the traffic in my oppinion and anyway they need reconstruction already, thus there is not much reason to protect them. There is available slip at Mszana wide enough for both entering and leaving the motorway.
In my opinion, it might be optimal to open the route you suggest on a one-way basis. The other direction of traffic could continue to use the current bypass. That would be less disruptive to the works and would ease congestion.
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 01:22 PM   #8687
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I know, and it seems like obvious solution.
But not in Poland, I'm not even sure if they finished primary database of cars and drivers. There were dozen of separate tenders, cancelled orders, delays etc.
Firstly, we need simple registrating system, like in UK, Italy, France and Scandinavia. Without this nothing will work well. Plates should be attached to car for its whole life and scheme of them should be one, not as today.

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Does anyone knows if the famous CEPiK is already operational?
Not at all. Councils may use it for sharing data about vehicles and drivers, but, as we see, it's not enough to tide that visible mess in our registrating system. Also policemen haven't access to CEPiK and it's too faulty to make some public site with basic data about vehicles.
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 02:40 PM   #8688
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Plates should be attached to car for its whole life and scheme of them should be one, not as today.
There are many reasons why owners should be able to get new plates with a new number for their cars. I'll give just one extreme example to illustrate. Suppose you buy a car at an auction. Then you find that people throw eggs at your car, scratch your paint with their keys, break your lights, etc. Wondering what about your car is attracting this attention, you ask Siri or use Google, and find out that the previous owner was a notorious child rapist. Why should you not be allowed to get new plates?
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 03:40 PM   #8689
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But it's not sufficent reason for maintain actual system, when it's that messy and expensive. Maybe changing plates when the car belonged to offender should be able, but ask Brits or Italians how many such cases existed so far...
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 03:49 PM   #8690
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But it's not sufficent reason for maintain actual system, when it's that messy and expensive. Maybe changing plates when the car belonged to offender should be able, but ask Brits or Italians how many such cases existed so far...
Deciding who is allowed to and who is not would just fuel corruption. It would be better, in my opinion, to simply charge a high free (for example, 1000 euro) to change plates. Everyone can be happy.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #8691
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Old July 25th, 2012, 01:41 AM   #8692
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Old July 25th, 2012, 01:49 AM   #8693
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Hi. I will be going to Lithuania via Poland. Will be coming via A2 via Lodz. What is the best way to go afterwards? Haven't driven there for a while. I normally go all the way to Warsaw, then turn towards Lomza near Ostrow or Zambrow. Is it still the best way?
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Old July 25th, 2012, 02:24 AM   #8694
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Hi. I will be going to Lithuania via Poland. Will be coming via A2 via Lodz. What is the best way to go afterwards? Haven't driven there for a while. I normally go all the way to Warsaw, then turn towards Lomza near Ostrow or Zambrow. Is it still the best way?
Zambrow, Lomza, Augustow.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 06:02 AM   #8695
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Hi. I will be going to Lithuania via Poland. Will be coming via A2 via Lodz. What is the best way to go afterwards? Haven't driven there for a while. I normally go all the way to Warsaw, then turn towards Lomza near Ostrow or Zambrow. Is it still the best way?
I will have the same choice to make next month. I'll probably go via Białystok in order to see the construction works on the S8. If I would need the fastest/shortest route, I would go via Ostrów Mazowiecka directly to Łomża, skipping Zambrów.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #8696
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That's the only unknown for me at the moment then: Ostrow or Zambrow? I would like to go via Bialystok to see the S8 construction, but I am taking female passengers and they won't be very interested unfortunately.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 02:27 PM   #8697
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That's the only unknown for me at the moment then: Ostrow or Zambrow? I would like to go via Bialystok to see the S8 construction, but I am taking female passengers and they won't be very interested unfortunately.
I don't think it's a big difference either way. The female passengers might prefer the better road quality via Zambrów.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #8698
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Is there an opening date for the A2 Mińsk Maz bypass yet? It is supposed to open in July
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Old July 25th, 2012, 03:58 PM   #8699
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Is there an opening date for the A2 Mińsk Maz bypass yet? It is supposed to open in July
I heard about August.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 05:51 PM   #8700
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I heard about August.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised as almost all motorway/expressway construction projects in Poland are behind schedule in terms of opening dates
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